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All Forum Posts by: Jay Jonez

Jay Jonez has started 21 posts and replied 50 times.

Post: Sub 2 - Seller having buyer remorse

Jay JonezPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chesterfield, MI
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Bill B.:

Both of those things help a lot. How much equity was there?


She would have to fix up the house to sell for $220K- $230K and mortgage is for $172K. So after closing cost would be $30K-$40K

Post: Sub 2 - Seller having buyer remorse

Jay JonezPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chesterfield, MI
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Jack Seiden:
Quote from @Bill B.:

Make sure the seller isn’t a senior or you’re not going to like going to court. 

You say she thinks she might have been taken advantage of. If you go to court make sure she wasn’t. You say you paid $500 and took over the mortgage. Did she have less than $5k in equity? If you say she had $20k in equity and gave her $500 you probably don’t want to go to court. ESPECIALLY if she’s a senior as she was taken advantage of. And doing that to a senior is a big no no. Especially in regards to their home. 

You could be “right” and still lose big time in court.


ps. I assume she can get out of this pretty easy by simply mentioning to her bank that she “sold” you the house months ago. If you didn’t steal her equity the easy out for you might be to just refi before it becomes a legal issue. It’s just too easy for your random judge to not like the idea. 


 this^^^^ if i was on a jury and heard about an elderly person being taken advange of by one of you subject too people, id find a way to find you guilty

I can confirm that she is not elderly. This was a rental property for her that was in need of repair. 

Post: Sub 2 - Seller having buyer remorse

Jay JonezPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chesterfield, MI
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Patricia Steiner:

There's a whole lot wrong here.   There are times when a real estate attorney is the only way to proceed and this is one of those. Also, you will want to make sure that the telephone conversation you recorded is within a state that allows for one-party consent (meaning you) as that is not the case in all states including mine.  

Best...


Yes, I did look that up in Michigan is a one party consent state so I would be fine on that end. I would hope I don’t have to go the legal route as I would wait and see if she is just threatening or if she’s actually going to go further.   from the sounds of it when I spoke to her before she didn’t really have the money to continue paying the mortgage and fixing up the house but I understand that things do change.

thank you for your feedback, if I do need a lawyer, I will get my ducks lined up just in case it goes that way. Which it sounds like from one of my mentors who’s been in real estate for 22 years when he went through a subject to he won the case, but had to spend $10,000 on a lawyer. 
 

Post: Sub 2 - Seller having buyer remorse

Jay JonezPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chesterfield, MI
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Joe S.:

There’s a difference in terminology if you want to get technical of taking over a mortgage and taking over the payments of the mortgage. You recording her own phone conversation repeating that you’re taking over the mortgage may not be enough. If she said you’re taking over the payments of my loan, then that could be a little stronger that the seller understood, and now is simply playing dumb.
Too many new investors try to gloss over the fact that the loan will stay in the sellers name when they are doing business. One of the reasons for this is that the Sub2 investor may be nervous that the seller will say no.

It should have been perfectly clear that the loan was going to stay in her name and you was taking over making the payments on her loan. You was not assuming anybody's loan. Did you have the seller sign disclosures that are clearly stating that the loan will stay in their name and could affect their DTI? Also, was their disclosures disclosing the due on sale clause?

We have had a handful of Seller circle back around and want the loan out of their name, but not too many because we tried to really emphasize the point that the loan stays in their name upfront and for those it say they do not or did not know that they have signed multiple forms stating they did.. 


 Hey thanks Joe yes, very great explanation. There were documents at closing that I read and even read over again today two documents that state exactly that the loan will stay in the sellers name, it mentions the impact. The negative impact of the seller of payments are missed, the seller also mention reviewing that document as well. 

What kind of prompted this was she was trying to file a 1098 form for her taxes and wanted to claim the interest for the half that she has. I made it clear that the loan would stay in her name and I would take over the mortgage paymentsand that she would receive $5000. 

Post: Sub 2 - Seller having buyer remorse

Jay JonezPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chesterfield, MI
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 7

My trainer/mentor is irrelevant, you wouldn’t know him. 

This was done through a title company who handles investor transactions. 

Post: Sub 2 - Seller having buyer remorse

Jay JonezPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chesterfield, MI
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 7

Yes, he went through a lawuiy  before with a seller in sub to deal  he mentioned he had to pay his lawyer $10,000 and the original seller lost the case. 

He known of an another investor who went through  a lawsuit and original seller lost as well. 

I was just wondering how it would work if they tried to do a loan modification or file bankruptcy even through I’m making the payments. 

Post: Sub 2 - Seller having buyer remorse

Jay JonezPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chesterfield, MI
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 7

At the moment , I haven’t contacted the title company just yet. The seller just mentioned this. 

I re- read through all my closing documents where she signed off on the “assumption of existing mortgage agreement” which spells out that the loan stays  in her name and the affects of it. A “waiver approval” for the mortgage company without consent” 

I have a call with the old seller next week , I have kept my communication line open and she hasn’t said anything until 8 months later. I was trying to hold back from getting a lawyer and going down that route because she has said anything about legal action. Her sentiment now I understand you got the house and the money you gave me helped me BUT she wants more and feels I took advantage of her as we worked on this deal for 4 months (following up to close).  

I do have the conversation of the phone call  where she agreed to subject to and the closing docs which were notarizes. 

- I could refinance, just would be higher interest and payment but I could do that

- I have a tenant in the property so I could not renew lease next year and sell

Or 

- do nothing and wait for the seller next move hoping it doesn’t get messy. 

Post: Sub 2 - Seller having buyer remorse

Jay JonezPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chesterfield, MI
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 7

I close a “subject  to” transaction in July 2023. It was closed to a title  company. I have been making a mortgage payments since then on time no problem.

The old seller contacted me of course, when they were trying to do the taxes and file a 1098 so that she can claim her part of the interest which kind of started all this and she was surprised that her name was still even though I clearly stated to her for four months, how to deal.  I also have a recorded phone call conversation for over 25 minutes of us talking about the subject deal and she says verbatim” I would be OK if you take over the mortgage and paying $500”. 

Situation that is happening now is of course she thinking that she got taken advantage of and now is trying to give me two options. 

Option one she threaten to do a loan modification.

Option two shoes trying to threaten bankruptcy.

Just wondering for those that I’ve done subject to deal what type of things to look out for or should I not even worry. 

Post: Seller Finance- Structure/ Title Question

Jay JonezPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chesterfield, MI
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 7

Hi, I have a silly question I am located in Metro Detroit . I have a seller who has accepted the terms to the seller finance deal its a Win-Win situation. Im ready to have them sign but previously I purchased with Hard Money/ Private Money so I just use a Purchase Agreement and send to the title company. 

Since this is seller finance is this considered a land contract when I tell the title company or would this be different? 

Want to make sure I have the right paperwork 

Post: Would any creative strategies work for this ?

Jay JonezPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Chesterfield, MI
  • Posts 53
  • Votes 7

Backstory I have a seller who wants to sell their house for cash. She sick and wants to walk away with at least $15K once everything is over ( wants to sell and move into apartment). There is a mortgage on the property for $63000 with a monthly payment of $696 - PITI . I mentioned trying to take over payments but the issue is the mom and her are on the deed BUT the mom is on the mortgage and wants off.

**Property: ARV: $90K ( being safe there was 1 comp that should for $98K and 1 pending for $95K)

**Repairs:  She explained a bunch of minor things that could be $10K-$15K ( all mechanics have been update and roof within 7 years) The pictures she sent home is definitely livable 

**This property can rent for $1050/ month 

**Mortgage Amount $63000

*Monthly Mortgage payment $696 

Im curious to hear the creative strategies as the cash offer just doesn't make sense here but I want to explore all options