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All Forum Posts by: Jason Malabute

Jason Malabute has started 543 posts and replied 1391 times.

Post: CRAZY ROLLER COASTER STORY

Jason MalabutePosted
  • Accountant
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 1,413
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So at the end of the 2016 year I promised myself that I would stop running away from my fears and get started on my real  estate journey.

I read books, watched webinars, podcasts, and signed up for BP Pro. I told my boss (I work for a CPA firm) of my plans and told her to get me in touch with the right people. She did. I started to research potential markets. I also started practicing how to analyze properties.

The first time I completed my application the broker didn't even process it even if I had a big money down ($200k) because my monthly income was not enough to support the loan. In the past I would have given up here and went back to "finding a higher paying job". This time it is different. I am determined because I realized that real estate is my purpose in life. Moreover, all I could think of was the quote in Rich Dad Poor Dad where he says "you get rich from building financial intelligence, and you build financial intelligence by solving financial problems. The bigger the financial problem that you solve the financial intelligence you build." So through research and posting on BP I learned that you can use 75% of the income from the second unit to get pre approved.

So I relayed this information to the broker. He said that this will help but is still not enough. So to solve this problem I talked my mom into being a co-borrower and proceeded with the application process. A few days later my broker told me that he met a lender that is a better fit for me and encouraged me to apply with new lender. To make the VERY long story short I got pre-approved later on that night for $647k with $200k down. I was on top of the world.

The next day after work the lender emailed my broker and told him that there was an error and that they are actually just pre approving me for $447k with a $200k down. That is a $200k loan decrease!!!!! In a market like LA its going to be more difficult to find a duplex or triplex for that amount.

Furthermore, I found 2 duplexes in my area for less then $600k (1 a month ago and 1 a few days ago) on Zillow . However, the agent is claiming that both properties are actually listed at a over $1m. This makes no sense to me. How can the listing be that much different from price on Zillow? Also isn't the price of properties supposed to go down the longer they are on the market (not go up)? 

Has this happen to anyone else?

Lastly where in LA do you guys think I should look at for properties under $600k that will still CF? We are considering neighboring cites to my desired sub markets.

I REFUSE TO GIVEUP. 

Thank you.    

Post: ANALYZING PROPERTIES PART 2 QUESTIONS

Jason MalabutePosted
  • Accountant
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 1,413
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Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:

@Jason Malabute, I just looked up some previous threads dealing with deal analysis in CA. Here's one that may be of interest to you, because it too was dealing with a duplex, a bit more pricey than you're asking about:- https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/356...

Whether any of the OP's "guesses" there were/are accurate or not I couldn't say, but you'll notice that it was VERY easy for me to find some SOLD (practice) comps - which is a also vital factor to delve into closely. Of course, once you go from push to shove, fudging the figures won't cut it...

 Sorry for late response. I got a new computer. This is great. Thank you.

Post: ANALYZING PROPERTIES PART 2 QUESTIONS

Jason MalabutePosted
  • Accountant
  • Los Angeles, CA
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Originally posted by @John Leavelle:

Howdy @Jason Malabute

As @Brent Coombs said the 30 minute analysis idea that Brandon refers to is the initial Pro forma analysis.   It does not include the actual numbers for all the items you listed.  A lot of them will be discovered when you conduct a more in depth investigation and during the due diligence process.

I will provide a response to each of the 15 items you listed.  But, first I have a few questions for you.

A.  Have you developed a plan identifying the type of investing you plan on doing?  Goals? Types of properties? Strategies  to use?  Price ranges?  How you plan to finance?  If you don't have a plan that answers these questions, then, you need to develop one.

B.  Do you have a Realtor?  If not you will need to get one that handles your targeted properties and areas of interest.  The Realtor will be able to get a lot of the information you are looking for.

Here is my input to your listed items:

1.  Closing costs:  You should be able to find this out from a Realtor.  However, they typically are 2 - 5% of purchase price.  

2.  Points charged by lender:  Each lender is different.  Find out when you search for financing.

3.  Other charges by lender:  Same as #2.

4.  Utilities:  Get this from Seller, Realtor, or call each utility that services that neighborhood.

5. PMI: Find out from the lender.

6. HOA: Find out from Seller or Realtor.

7.  Insurance:  Seller, Realtor, or call your agent for a quote for the property.

8.  Garbage:  Seller, Realtor, or service provider.

9. Other monthly expenses: There are a number of miscellaneous expenses that can occur. Some examples: Lawn care, Snow removal, legal, accounting, marketing, pest control, collections, to name a few. They can be anywhere from 5 - 10% of GSI. Also don't forget Vacancy and Property Management (you didn't have them on your list) 10% each.

10. Repairs: Most will use a percentage of the monthly Gross Scheduled Income (GSI) for this. 5 - 10% depending on the age/condition of the property and class of tenants. Once you get into due diligence you may be able to adjust this up or down.

11. Capital Expenditures: Again it is dependent on age, condition, and class of the property. It is wise to use a conservative approach to estimate CapEx. I use 10% initially in my Pro forma analysis. Once I have the property under contract I will have an inspection completed to identify any deficiencies and determine the useful life expectancy of major components/appliances. This allows you to develop a estimated overall cost and timeline when items will need replacing/upgrading. You can develop a more accurate CapEx calculation from there. $250 per month seems to be a good conservative amount.

12.  Annual income growth:  Determine after under contract and/or after purchase.

13.  Annual PV growth:  Same

14.  Annual expense growth:  Same 

15.  Sales expense:  Find out from your Realtor when you plan to sell.

The bottom line is you will start your  initial analysis with general estimates and a few good numbers.  If it looks good you will update the numbers as you dig further into the property.  Up until you actually purchase the property or walk away from the deal.

Hope this helps.  :)

 Thank you. This helps a lot. My goals are: find a duplex in my target market (Culver City, Silver Lake, or Hollywood area). I need a cash flow of $ 200 for the second unit. Price range $600-800k (closer to $600k). $200k down. 30 year loan. Fixed interest.

I am in the process of trying to get pre-approved. My lender said he'll introduce me to the agent that he works with after I get approved.

As per the annual income growth, annual PV growth, annual expense growth, and sales expense will not affect the calculations and projections right? 

Post: ANALYZING PROPERTIES PART 2 QUESTIONS

Jason MalabutePosted
  • Accountant
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 1,413
  • Votes 660
Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:

Put simply, your 30 minutes per property analysis will largely be: educated guesses. You CANNOT know what the "Annual Income Growth" or "Annual Expense Growth" or "Repairs", etc, will be!

But those (sometimes a lot less than 30 minute) "educated guesses" will help you hone in on WHICH of all those properties may be worth a closer look. You can then create specific thread/s to help you become more ACCURATELY educated regarding the numbers for a particular scenario. After responses come in, you'll hopefully be more informed about your previous guesses. BP members can be very helpful when it comes to things like: "In that LOCATION, Insurance will likely be double your figure" and so on. While you're just practicing, don't get bogged down.

But certainly, if your money is burning a hole in your pocket until you buy something, by all means get to know how you can find out the best/quickest (accurate) figures before you submit any FINAL/BEST Offer/s! (Until then, all your Offers should assume the WORST figures!) Cheers...

 "BP members can be very helpful when it comes to things like: "In that LOCATION, Insurance will likely be double your figure" and so on. While you're just practicing, don't get bogged down." Thank you this is gold! This is becoming clearer.

So are you saying just take an educated guess but before making an actual offer make sure you confirm your numbers with an agent?

Lastly, if you were in my shoes where would you get an estimated numbers if you were just "practicing"?

Post: ANALYZING PROPERTIES PART 2 QUESTIONS

Jason MalabutePosted
  • Accountant
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 1,413
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Since my last post I have been taking action practicing with the rental property calculator  to analyze properties. I have also watched both webinars on analyzing properties (they really helped). However, I am still having trouble with the following  figures and numbers: 

1. Closing cost

2. Points charged by lender

3. Other charges by lender

4. Utilities

5. PMI

6. HOA

7. Insurance

8. Garbage

9. Other monthly expenses

10. Repairs

11. Capital expenditure

12. Annual Income Growth

13. Annual PV Growth

14. Annual Expense Growth

15. Sales Expense

HERE ARE MY QUESTIONS:  

A) For each of the above can I find the amounts online or do I have to call the utility/broker/insurance agent/property management company to get estimate figures of each of the items listed above to plug in the calculator?

B)  Since I am trying to look for a rental in LA and LA has so many sub markets do I have to call the utility/broker/insurance agent/property management company to get estimate figures of each of the items listed above to plug in the calculator whenever you switch submarkets?

C) If you do have to call these different people for all these figures then how does Brandon say that the analysis process only take less then 30 min per property?  

D) If you can find these amounts online for your market how do you know that it is accurate?

Thank you,

Jason

Post: HOLLYWOOD CA MARKET ANALYSIS FOR DUPLEX

Jason MalabutePosted
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Thank you all.

Post: PRACTICING ANALYZING PROPERTY

Jason MalabutePosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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Originally posted by @John Jacobus:

@Jason Malabute I recommend that you find a few of Brandon Turner's recorded webinars in the BP archives covering the topic of deal analysis.  With a Pro membership, you have access to the archive of all webinars.  Watching a few of these webinars should help you with questions 2 & 3 above.

Regarding your first question, I recommend that you use LoopNet (www.loopnet.com) to find a few properties that interest you. While you won't find many good deals, and they won't always have all of the important details available, you can use the inputs in the marketing package to practice going through the motions. Once you get comfortable with the process and you find a deal worth pursuing, reach out to the listing broker and request the trailing twelve month financials ("T12") and current rent roll to get a better sense of the financial prospects of the property.

I also recommend a few books on this topic that should help you get comfortable with analyzing deals:

  • The ABC's of Real Estate Investing by Ken McElroy (Chapter 7)
  • The Ultimate Guide to Buying Apartment Buildings with Private Money by Michael Blank
  • 13 Steps to Valuing Your First Multiplex by Ben Leybovich

 Thank you John. This is very helpful.

I have read  The ABC's of Real Estate Investing by Ken McElroy and he does advise that you request the current rent rolls and 12 months financials.

I will check out the webinars and 2 other books.

Thank you. 

Post: PRACTICING ANALYZING PROPERTY

Jason MalabutePosted
  • Accountant
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 1,413
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Hi All,

I JUST UPGRADED TO PRO!!!!

I am a first time investor. I want to practice and analyze rental properties using the BP calculator. My goal is I want to master (or at least practice) analyzing duplexes so many times using the BP rental property calculator that by the time my agent starts giving me leads I'll be comfortable analyzing properties quickly and accurately.

GOALS: 

Analyze 3 sample properties a week.

QUESTIONS:

1. Where can I get sample property numbers (besides purchase price) to practice with?

 2. What figures (income and expenses) must I include in all my analysis??

3. Since I am a first time investor how do I assure myself that I am analyzing my CF and other projections correctly and accurately?

Thanks.

Post: HOLLYWOOD CA MARKET ANALYSIS FOR DUPLEX

Jason MalabutePosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 1,413
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One of the markets to buy my first duplex in was/am (kinda) considering is Hollywood CA (NOT WEST, NORTH, OR EAST). I'm talking about somewhere near the clubs, bars, hotels, and businesses. Prior to my market study I thought Hollywood would be a great idea because I am always going out and see a lot of young professionals and those in the entertainment industry in the scene. Hollywood has a real diverse crowd.  Also, Hollywood has one of the highest rents in the nation ($3110.30). However, when I was doing my research I found that the average income in Hollywood is $40,000 (annually), most residents dont have a HS degree, robberies are higher than national average, spending are lower than national average, etc. Obviously there are many pros of the Hollywood market as well.

However, for argument sake please see questions below:

1. Are my study of the market accurate? How is the rent in Hollywood so high if the average income is so low?

2. Does anybody here own a property in Hollywood and making a positive cashflow (>$200)?

3. Is Hollywood a good market for rentals (duplex) in your experience (not opinion)?

4. Any last advise about the Hollywood market?

Thank you,

Jason

Post: FIRST PURCHASE DILEMA

Jason MalabutePosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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Originally posted by @Sam M.:

@Jason Malabute, @Ariou B., got it exactly right in his example. 

With regard to your question about how a lender can actually factor this figure in without first having the units rented out, the appraiser completes what's called a Rental Survey, which is his/her valuation for how much the units could rent for. The lender will follow the Rental Survey and use 75% of that total figure as qualifying income. Hope that helps. 

 Thank you this help a lot