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All Forum Posts by: Jason Lozon

Jason Lozon has started 3 posts and replied 16 times.

Post: Information needed from investor to contractor

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I've been a GC running my own company for a little over 5 yrs. Lots of good advice people have given here. The summary takeaway was mentioned... Do your part to make it a 2way street. That goes for the contractor and the customer. 

PRICE: In general I would not work for flippers, realtors, or any other customer who was shopping based on price. Personally, I'm not about to try to be price competitive with the cheap guy who isn't licensed, doesn't answer phone calls/txt/email consistently, isn't on time, doesn't carry insurance, can't communicate or manage a timeline, etc. the list goes on. 

VALUE: If you're not getting the sense that a contractor wants to work with you, then don't and move on. Crappy contractors are a dime a dozen. Know the value of a good contractor. Decide if its worth dealing with all the problems that being cheap will bring. If you hire the cheapest company, they hire the cheapest workers because their prices are so low they can't afford to hire better (I know anomalies exist, but don't lose the point in this general statement). It's not just about job skills, but quality of the person. Do they have their lives together, or do they have substance abuse problems, reliable transportation, does their phone get shut off at random because they can't/don't pay their bills, etc. Someone who can't manage their own lives on a daily basis can't manage your job. 

My worst customers have been those I've had to "sell" to get a job. I imagine the same is true for customers who have hired contractors against their better "gut feeling". My experience has been that my gut usually knows something even if I can't label what that something is.

GC or Self Manage: There's a difference between hiring a tradesman, a trade specific contractor, and a GC. Know what you're shopping for. I know lots of people can chime in who do it as cheap as possible every time. That typically consists of hiring tradesman who market themselves as "contractors" but are actually a skilled laborer with a truck and some tools to do a specific job over and over again as fast as they can. This is different from hiring a company and they usually lack some element of planning, communication, knowledge, professionalism, etc that causes issues along the way. The majority of investors I've known to use this strategy deal with a LOT of headaches. Are the headaches worth it? How much do those headaches cost you? If you have the ability, experience, and willingness to deal with issues, then you can use a budget "contractor". If coordinating multiple trades, tasks, and timelines isn't your thing, then you should hire a GC. If you can manage all the things a GC does for you, then do it yourself, but don't assume it'll be easy. 

LIABILITY: I have flipped a couple houses for myself where I'm the contractor and the seller, so all liability falls back on me. But just because you're "only" the seller (or income property owner)  doesn't absolve you from the responsibility to have work performed correctly. If you hire a cut rate "contractor" with no license or insurance you have opened yourself up to a lot of liability. Good luck finding this person or getting anything out of them if something goes wrong. Imagine the worse case scenario and you find yourself in court over a wrongful death suit because of something that happened with one of your properties and you have to answer all the questions about your decisions to hire the unlicensed, uninsured contractor. Will your choice to hire that contractor standup under scrutiny, or are you just gambling that it'll never come to that. 

PLAN: The best way to save money in construction is to have a well detailed plan. This takes a lot of upfront work that doesn't make a lot of dust so people tend to get impatient and blow past this so they can start making visual progress. Changing the plan while your contractor is working gets expensive and stressful. Scope creep kills jobs, relationships, and budgets. 

PAY: If I take money upfront it's because I don't trust you. If I don't trust you, I don't work for you. Therefore, I never take money upfront. ;) I might take a deposit for material costs to get the job started if I know I won't be taking a draw or payment before my material bills come due. However, I don't collect this until the material is on site. In short - you never pay in advance. You are always paying for something you've received, be it material or work completed. That said, I expect to get paid quickly, without complaint, when I ask for payment.

There are usually 2 reasons contractors take money upfront. 1) they've been burned by customers in the past so they're trying to avoid getting totally screwed. 2). Cash flow management issues and they need the money now to operate with - BAD NEWS - mostly likely to result in loosing your money, most likely to result in poor project management, scheduling issues, inflated change orders, or just plain walking off your job and leaving you stranded. 

Post: Anyone hired a coach? Thoughts?

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Great info from everyone, thanks for the input. a couple people have mentioned mastermind groups, and its something I've heard mentioned often outside of this as well. 

Caution - dumb newbie question about to be asked...how does one find a mastermind group? Is it something that you find your way into via networking or something you sign up and pay to be part of?

Post: Anyone hired a coach? Thoughts?

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@Michael K Gallagher thanks for connecting with this!

Post: Anyone hired a coach? Thoughts?

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Quote from @Shiloh Lundahl:

@Jason Lozon There is a story about a group of people who took boats to an island to battle their enemy on the island.  The captain burned the boats after his army disembarked.  Now the only way for them to get back home was to conquer their enemy and take their enemies boats back home.  This is an engaging story of commitment, however, when investing in real estate, I need to be wise and look at all of the my options and resources in order to succeed.  If you have no other means to sustain yourself then what you are going to make in real estate, that could be unnecessarily stressful and unwise.  

I would encourage you to use your crews to work for other investors at first and network with other investors. And then pick up your own properties here and there the first year so that you can eat from what you earn from others, and you can build wealth with your own properties.  

I say this both as a successful real estate investor and real estate coach who has helped serval other new investors build real estate portfolios.


 I'm of the mindset to burn the boats. I'm just looking for Alexander the Great or Cortés to lead me. Maybe I'm embracing this because I've just walked away from the small business, crew, and network I've managed to create so that I can geographically relocate for family reasons. Either way, I'm all in.

Post: Anyone hired a coach? Thoughts?

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@Joe Maris - I've thought about TK. I think I'm still skeptical about TK companies and investing remotely. Have you had any experience going this route? 

Doing some light research it looked like the TK properties I could afford with my current cash and conventional funding would only cash flow a few hundred dollars a month while consuming all my cash and purchasing power. Trying to solve this problem leads me to learning about private money borrowing, which got me interested in private money lending. The potential speed that I could send my money out and get it back by lending is attractive. 

Thanks @Shiela R.. I do plan to find the local meetup as one of my next steps. What was the coaching program focused on, RE specifically or general life/productivity/career?

Post: Anyone hired a coach? Thoughts?

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I'm wondering if anyone has hired any type of coach that they would recommend. I'll try to keep this concise. I have the good fortune to have a small amount of savings, no career or job, but have a general contractors license and an idle construction company LLC, about to relocate to metro Detroit. I quit the career I went to college for to flip houses full time. I got off track and spent the last 5yrs running a small construction company. Now with my move I want to get focus and traction on REI. The issue is I have limited savings and one shot at this. If being in business for myself over the last 5 yrs has taught me anything its that I can't afford to learn this by the seat of my pants. I have limited time before I need cash flow to meet incoming bills.

I have the great fortune to pivot and find something more fulfilling in my life. Advice welcome, and thanks in advance.