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All Forum Posts by: Jason Deangelis

Jason Deangelis has started 12 posts and replied 61 times.

Post: ARV… and how to get there affordably?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

Kitchen is always #1. Removing walls to create a 'great room' is #2. Baths come next.


 Love it!  I have all three of these in mind for my current project!  thanks!

Post: ARV… and how to get there affordably?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Caleb Brown:

Exterior and presentation is key. Simple things like landscaping, trim around the windows, etc help a lot. Obviously paint is the most important but also expensive  


 Thanks Caleb!  my new property has so much curb appeal already, but I would definitely invest in more of the exterior if needed.  What are your thoughts on adding a fence to an open space yard?  would that necessarily bring up the value and by how much would you say?

Post: ARV… and how to get there affordably?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Jaron Walling:

@Jason Deangelis "my second rental property" - Keep that statement in the back of your mind every time you buy, install, or hire contractors to complete projects for you. Like @Brad Jacobson mentioned over-rehabbing is a thing. I sorta made that mistake on my current primary. Could have been another great rental but we went over board on it and now it's really nice. I'm not interested costly repairs, tenants damaging countertops, or expensive fixtures getting broken we wouldn't install for a rental. We see it as a live-in flip at this point. Only time I've bought materials was for a flooring project getting installed by a contractor. 

This market is crazy and it's difficult to stick with a strategy. The deal and numbers can change the plan easily. Try to stay on a narrow path. 


 I have the same issue Jaron.  I tend to think with my heart and want the property to look and feel like it would if I lived in it.  constant struggle, haha.  I hear you with all these rate changes.  I have an analysis machine I built on excel that I can update the rates and have real time figures for each property I scout.

Post: ARV… and how to get there affordably?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Jason Deangelis:

You will not get a better return long term. You will replace the carpet every 5 - 10 years. Any good flooring should be a lifetime product.


 Noted.  So its dependent on the amount of time I am investing in the specific property!

Post: ARV… and how to get there affordably?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Sara Frank:

Buying the materials yourself is a big $$$ saver. Most contractors mark up prices since they are acquiring the materials. Buying them yourself and having them shipped to the property can save some serious money. 


Except then who does the receiving, the inspection, the unpacking, and takes the risk of unloading and carrying into the house? It costs the Contractor a lot of time and money to have his crew do all the above. A good Contractor will charge you 25% anyway, so you might as well just put them in charge of all materials right from the get-go....


 I feel like laying out all the cost break downs from the start and understanding their punch list/scope of work can assure that they are not adding a percentage of these costs on the end quote.  I have always asked the tradesmen the cost for labor and material first, then follow up with, "How about if I supply the materials from the big box stores and have them ready at the property for you".  9/10 times it has reduced the cost of the work done.  Having stuff shipped on the downside is at the suppliers discretion of the quality of the material.  Ill never order lumber and have it shipped for single room renos.  they give you the most undesirable pieces.  

Post: ARV… and how to get there affordably?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Benjamin Aaker:
Find a way to add a bedroom. Since you aren't dealing with plumbing, the cost is cheaper than kitchen/bathrooms.

 I am always thinking that.  Now the bigger question is will that work in the basement?  I know its not addable sq footage on paper, but it can be listed as an extra bedroom come time to rent or sell.  Thanks

Post: ARV… and how to get there affordably?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Brad Jacobson:

Hey Jason,

One trap a lot of new investors and flippers fall into is over-rehabbing.  This is extra dangerous now that the market is softening and we don't have a crazy appreciation pillow to break our fall.  

If this is a single family house, you can get away with more rehab but if it's a multifamily, big rehabs will very rarely provide a return via appraisal since appraised amounts are mostly calculated off potential rent income and that rent doesn't change too much. 

Even if the property is single family and wouldn't be considered just a rental, it's still probably wise to not over-rehab.  Appraisers look at a ton of factors including bed/bath count, square footage, acreage, neighborhood, etc. and the cosmetic condition is only one of many factors.  As long as the house looks fine cosmetically (carpet, paint, kitchen, bathrooms, etc.) you'll probably get just as high of an appraisal as an over-remodeled house would if it had all the other same factors.  

Good luck!


Great advice Brad. I like the mind set of separating a SFH & MFH based on cash flow. As much as I dislike carpet I may choose to install it rather than vinyl in the bedrooms to save a little to get a better return. Thanks for your insight.

Post: ARV… and how to get there affordably?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Scott E.:

This is going to vary a lot depending on your market, the comps, and of course the condition of the property now.

In my market, there is such a wide range of comps (some neighborhoods have ARV's ranging from $1M - $1.85M) that I can get away with about as elaborate of a remodel as I want, and still fall within the ARV range of the comps.

Generally speaking the kitchen, baths, paint, and floors are all important. But if interior doors are in bad shape, those need swapped. If baseboards are in bad shape or can't be saved when replacing the floors, you'll need new baseboards. If the ceiling fans are dusty and dated, those need replaced. If landscaping is overgrown or unattractive, that should be spruced up.

Look at some comparable homes that have sold for top dollar in your neighborhood recently, and check out what the finish package looked like on those properties.


 Thanks Scott E. Yes, great tips.  I have budgeted for all of what you mentioned.  I love AZ, I was scouting the area a couple years back (Garfield & Coronado).  I can see how the numbers vary in your market.  

Post: How does everyone find houses for wholesaling?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19

@Jerry Cockerham one thing you can do daily while traveling in the area you want to buy is to look for the severely neglected tall grass and over grown bushes. Could be that someone is unable to keep up with the property and might want to move on. Houses with code violation signs in them may mean they have troubles they cant afford to remedy. Then start considering how to connect with the owners to have that conversation. Public records can get you the information of the owners and then you can start a campaign to reach out and have the conversation.

Post: Should I wait to invest due to economy?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19

@Lara Ishtayeh I am about to close on a deal that works for me. If you do the research and see that a deal makes sense financially for you, I say why wait? What if the market doesn’t crash for years hypothetically. Those are good years gone. There are many ways to get funding for future projects and those deals will be there when that time comes. I feel it has to make sense to you most importantly.