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All Forum Posts by: Jason Deangelis

Jason Deangelis has started 12 posts and replied 61 times.

Post: Cash out refi on new property?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19

@Ryan Deasy wow, ill have to keep that in mind. Some of the fine print sounds treacherous. Thanks!

Post: Cash out refi on new property?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19

@Matthew Morrow great advice. I should have been more specific about my situation. I used cash for dp, closing, and a portion of rehab. I filled the gap (around 20k) from my personal home Heloc. I have a conventional loan now and want to cash out refi on that to recoup all of borrowed and some of cash invested. I just need the direction to go for a refi sooner than my existing mortgage company which is saying the seasoning for a cash out would be 12 months. Also worth a mention, I wish I heard what you said about Heloc rates two months ago. I went from 6-8 and as a new investor didn’t think to check in on how fast it increased. Lesson learned the hard way but still a great deal!

Post: Cash out refi on new property?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19

@Anastasia G.

Thank you! Its exciting and less stressful this time around. When you say own funds, do you mean that by me paying closing and DP out of personal accounts I may be eligible? Or are there other numbers to factor into that like rehab, OE and short term finance holding costs?

Post: Cash out refi on new property?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19

@David M. Thanks for all the advice. I like all of the options you suggested. I feel very safe with this investment and did my due diligence ahead of time to make sure in worst case scenario I would come out safe. The only factor is the market values and interest rate hikes that are anyones guess to what may happen. As of now my borrowed money is only a $100 difference to that of a new loan at arv. Im not sure if it plays out that way every time but I was surprised the numbers were so close. Gives me confidence to the whole idea if paying similar OE on the arv loan while getting the money back to repay the short term money.

Post: Cash out refi on new property?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19

@Erik Estrada got it. Im using cash for down payment and short term money now for the other expenses. Im looking to stabilize after renovation into a 20 or 30 year.

Post: Cash out refi on new property?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19

@Erik Estrada repay as as much initial capital to recirculate funds into the next project when I find it. Thanks.

Post: Cash out refi on new property?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19

@Robin Simon. Thanks for the info! It was helpful.

Post: Cash out refi on new property?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19

Hello everyone! Happy to say I am on my second investment property in 2 years. Bought this house in June and im 1/3 thru the renovation to get the house up to its full market value. Im using a mixture of cash, and a heloc on another home I own.

Im hoping to get some advice on obtaining a cash out refi as this will be my first. Questions about minimum time time frame, competitive lenders to look into, and anything else I might want to be aware of so I am prepared for the transition with grace will be very much appreciated. Thanks BP community!

Post: ARV… and how to get there affordably?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Alex Ramirez:

@Jason Deangelis I recently bought a house, which I turned into a SRT. The house was listed as a 2b/1b and was 1700 sq/ft. We turned it into a 4b/2b. This added a lot of equity. So I will say first and foremost adding bedrooms is number one to add equity followed by kitchen and bathrooms (ensure you use granite counters at the very least) then everything else (flooring, finishes, paint). 


 Awesome advice, thanks for replying.  I have a question that maybe you could give me some insight.  When I run analysis of a property one of, if not the first things I look at is the square footage of the property to see if I can add another piece to the house puzzle (bedrooms/baths).  In your opinion, what is the minimum square feet for a 3/1, 3/2 and 4/1, 4/2 regardless of their current layout.  I always wanted a rough number to see if I can add value by reconfiguring rooms.  so far I know 5 x 7 is a decent minimum bathroom and bedroom potentially 10 x 12.

Post: ARV… and how to get there affordably?

Jason DeangelisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Brad S.:
Quote from @Jason Deangelis:

Hello BP community! I am days away from closing on my second rental property and have a question about bringing the most equity to my new fixer upper while being budget friendly.

I know kitchen & baths for sure, but id love to hear a little more in detail about the things made a bang for your buck with. Cant wait to hear the responses!!!


 Ok, I'll take a stab at the "little more in detail" part.

Kitchens
*  Appliances - Look for "scratch and dent" stores or appliances. Many big box stores (HD, Lowes, Best Buy, Amazon, etc) get returns and can't resell them as new, so they often have alternative channels they route those products to. Some have their own stores and others sell to secondary buyers at a steep discount. And those secondary buyers have their own stores. I have bought many appliances this way, including some that I personally used. Example, I recently bought a professional 48inch free standing range for $6,600, which sells for around $9,500 new. And this was a new, never used unit, with a dented side panel. I paid a little $100 for them to order a new side panel and change it for me. TIP- don't buy a $6k range, unless it is for a high end rental, mine is for a higher end rehab. Also, check on Craigslist, ebay, Amazon, Nextdoor, Facebook marketplace, and other local buy/sell apps for deals

*  Cabinets - If you are going to rehab the kitchen and bathrooms, look for RTA (ready-to-assemble) cabinets. In my experience they are made with plywood boxes and solid doors, with no mdf. They also have soft-close doors/drawers and are of reasonable quality. It's better if you can find a local store which deals directly with the manufacturer. Where I am at, I can deal directly with the manufacturer, since we are near a main port. Typically, they come from China, so there may be some current supply issues (I don't know at the moment). I used to be get cabinets for an entire typical size kitchen, for around $2000, but, I am sure that has changed drastically now. They also have bath vanities. You can also check out Ikea, they have some interesting stuff and I have seen Ikea kitchens in million dollar houses.

* Countertops - Same as above, look for pre-fab solid surface (granite or composite) countertops. They come in standard 24 inch depths with the edging pre-done (typically a bullnose or square edge). So, when you plan on the new kitchen, make sure to plan on just straight line of cabinets and counters, with 90 degree turns. If you have to do 45 degree or rounded counters or other non-standard shapes and sizes, then the fabrication is going to cost more and the end result (additional renter appeal) won't be worth the additional money. I used to be able to get pre-fab granite pieces for as low as $85 per 8 foot piece, and then fabricators would charge $180/piece to cut/grind them install. I could do a whole house for around $1,500 (including materials). Ok, yes, those were the good 'ol days, so things are different now. But the most recent counters I bought for my personal rebuild, was in 2019. They were $195 and $245 per each 9 ft piece for good quality composite (i.e. Silestone, Quartz, Caeserstone, etc) the kitchen and bathrooms. I don't remember what I paid for the install though.

* Bathrooms - You may want to try and find some pre-fab vanities, which include the cabinets and the counter and sink. They may be less expensive and good quality and install would easier and/or cheaper.

* Fixtures - look up all the online and local sales channels I listed above, but keep in mind that chrome is probably the most common and least expensive finish. So, if you don't need brushed nickel, flat black, for a specific design outcome, etc, just do chrome.

I like putting in a handheld shower head, in the bath/showers, then it can work for all heights and is easy to change, if need be. Also, it's easy to use for cleaning the tub/shower and maybe the tenants will do it. Either with or without a sliding shower bar. The negative with the shower bar, is someone can break it or have a false sense of security reaching for it, for stability.

* Backsplash - Look at tile closeouts. You may find some at HD, Lowes, other stores, that just need to get rid of this inventory. We recently got some natural stone mosaic for our backsplash at around $.99/ft, as a closeout.

* Tile - If you can use a natural stone for the shower/bath surround, you may be able to save money and just grind/sand the end down to bullnose or rounded, instead of having to buy special bullnose pieces or down angles (2 bullnosed perpendicular sides), which are more expensive then the field tile. Or, you can just get metal edging to end the tile. Also, I like building inset niches in the bath/showers for soap and hair products etc. 

OK, that's all I got for now.


 All you got!  phew, that.... was.... awesome!  I feel like if there were a test after this and I passed it I would get a rehab diploma.  Thanks so much for taking the time to go through all of that.  I like the RTA route as well as the handheld shower fixture thought.  All of this was super helpful.  Thank you for actually taking the time.  Im on IG and if you want to connect my link is in the bio.