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All Forum Posts by: Jason Chen

Jason Chen has started 11 posts and replied 229 times.

Have you considered the fact that this is clearly a horrible deal? Someone should have said it already to prevent her from going into misery. Just LOL @ paying $215,000 with only $1390 total in rent per month. At least if it were $1390 from each side per month, then at least the deal would just merely start to make sense.

If you get into this deal - mark my words, it may very well be a career-ender. Run before the seller literally TAKES YOU TO THE CLEANERS

Originally posted by @Jay Patel:

@Jason Chen do you mind sharing a zillow link to one of these 70k duplexes? 

 WHOA

I found a 4plex with 2 bed/2bath in each unit listed for $79,000!!!

https://www.coldwellbanker.com/property/2920-SE-53RD-CT-OCALA-FL-34480/19130514/detail

The particular location is reasonable, and acceptable with me. It's not prime, but it's good enough. It's under pending now, but I'm not sure what the buyer offered and how much it cost to renovate. Judging by the pictures, let's say $40,000 total (for new kitchens, a new roof, A/C, labor, etc), which is not that bad at all. Assuming the total of everything is $120,000 - $130,000, I'd say this buyer will be getting a deal that is better than 65-75% of comparable deals in Ocala which is a little better than marginal, and therefore doable in my book.

Now for all we know, there might have been a small bidding war (bidding wars are pretty much never big in Ocala, only small), and the property has a $85,000 - $90,000 offer on it, but I doubt it.

Deals like this pop up about 5-6 times a year on the MLS market (rough estimate off my head), and usually a crazy good deal (better than 90% of comparable deals) pop up once a year on the public MLS market.

Originally posted by @Aaron Howell:

Pharmacists are not Doctors and/or Medical Staff.  I've been doing this for 6 years and I'm way beyond the 1/2 deals max period.

I will admit that my first purchase ended last summer with me losing a **** ton of $$$ after selling but the education was well worth it.  

 but did you do it in a group? its a different story if you did it alone

Post: 18 rentals owned free and clear

Jason ChenPosted
  • Tampa, Fl
  • Posts 240
  • Votes 153

I originally wrote that as a joke, but now realize that it might be such a bad idea after all...

Post: 18 rentals owned free and clear

Jason ChenPosted
  • Tampa, Fl
  • Posts 240
  • Votes 153

Step 1: Sell all properties

Step 2: Put 1 million dollars into cryptocurrencies

Step 3: Wait 7 years

Step 4: Collect 100 million dollars

If the seller was smart, they'd offload these properties one or two at a time.

They've basically given away their hand that they believe the market is ripe for SELLING

Good things can happen from this, but I must give you one piece of advice that you cannot take for a grain of salt.

There are no groups of people that are more notorious for shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to real estate than:

A. a group of lawyers

B. a group of doctors/medical staff

C. a group of teachers/professors

For some reason, despite their high IQs and whatnot, they get into horrible deals time and time again, and their real estate careers typically last 1 or 2 deals max.

This doesn't have to happen as long as you're ultra consercative in all estimations and calculations when landing your first deal.

Originally posted by @Jay Patel:

@Jason Chen. I would love for you to point out a "reasonable duplex in Ocala for a reasonable 70K (plus 5K in repairs) which rents at $625 a side in a reasonable location"  (thats not in a war zone and has a bunch of deferred cap-ex). I have doubts that they are a dime a dozen like you make it sound.

On another note:

"I always try to make sure that my deals are at least better than 80% of my competitors, so I am essentially looking for an 80th percentile deal in markets that FAVOR the investor."

What does that even mean? Please educate us.

 Sure, my family owns like 5-6 duplexes in Ocala that were purchased for $42,000-$55,000 and each required anywhere from $5,000-$8,000 in renovations. I can show you screenshots off the marion county property appraiser if you want, and edit out some details. 

Now these were all purchased in late 2011- 2015. Even then, there are still $70,000 duplexes for sale, and $130,000 quadplexes for sale in Ocala RIGHT now that you can find online that are not in war zones, but I'd say those are in less than stellar zones. We only purchase one in a mediocre area if the deal is that good.

To prove that these neighborhoods aren't in a war zone, you can see how they were purchased for prices like $100,000+ in 2004-2006. A war zone property wouldn't been able to sell for that much in Ocala. In fact, there aren't any real war zone areas in Ocala except for like 2 or 3 streets max, and even then, they aren't even really war zones.

I really think the banks just goofed and undervalued these properties when they listed them for sale because the appraiser saw "a couple of black dudes passing by in an old car". Seriously.

Originally posted by @Catherine Peters:

@Jason Chen the 1 bedrooms all come with their own garage which to me is a HUGE selling feature and there are lots of young singles in this area. Cash flow would be great, and that's hard to find in the Denver market. But only if the financing is right, so I think this is probably not going to be a fit for us.  I agree with you - just not sure how to find someone better who has the patience to deal with my newness to the game - I ask her a TON of questions and take up a lot of her time.

@Jared Bouzek thanks for the info. This is a $650K deal so maybe my broker was right in that it would be an incredibly difficult loan to get done. I see you're a lender in Denver. Do you just do commercial?

@Daniel Dietz forgive my ignorance but what is DSCR? I use the BP rental calculator, but please point me in the right direction as I must not be paying attention to this :)

the 1 bedroom thing isnt a problem then

Find someone more competent.

Also, let's talk about the elephant in the room: the fact that 4 of the units are only 1 bedroom. I would want a 2 bedroom/1bathroom, as those are way more easily rentable and marketable than a 1 bedroom. I don't even like this deal in the first place, unless you're getting it for an insane price.