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All Forum Posts by: Jason Cox

Jason Cox has started 3 posts and replied 36 times.

Quote from @Kyle Sosnowski:
Quote from @Jason Cox:
Quote from @Kyle Sosnowski:
Quote from @Bill B.:

You basically have zero insurance. You might as well stop paying it. Hopefully you have no net worth yet so you don’t mind losing it all. Hopefully it’s just a trip and fall or a fire and not an underage drinker. 

This is all ignoring you're renting to a known liar. Start the eviction process and make sure your future leases say STR is not allowed, owner occupants only, no sub-leasing, etc.


 Hi Bill, 

I am 100% in agreement with your post here. 

I just have a question for you, besides going straight into eviction, would there be any other reasonable solutions to help you re-structure the lease agreement without loosing that tenant (if you were to come to an agreement with them to not continue this act) 

I hope this makes sense, and thank you sir. 

I'm not the person who wrote what you are responding to, but in my opinion there is no reason to restructure the lease. If you wanted to keep the tenant you would serve a Cure/Quit notice to them to stop subletting and then you would have to monitor the house closely for awhile to make sure they aren't using it as an airbnb again.

As far as losing this tenant, not much of value would be lost if they moved out. This is a major lease violation, assuming what OP says is accurate. It would be hard to trust this person in the future.


 Understood, I appreciate the response Jason! 

With what you suggested with the C/Q notice (which this is actually the first time I heard of this before, since I believe I heard this called by another name), would you happen to know if BP provides that form within Landlord Forms that are able to be downloaded by state? 

Again thank you:)


 Don't know. Personally I would get it directly from a source in my state to make sure you have the most current one. In my county the county clerk office has a packet available for a small fee.

One more comment, re: the idea of keeping this tenant on.

I have a feeling this tenancy will implode on it's own. The 70 year old man doesn't live at the house, he lives somewhere else. If they aren't allowed to do airbnb anymore they have no need for the house.  I predict these people will soon ask the OP if they can break the lease, or else they will just cease contact and just stop paying rent.

Quote from @Kyle Sosnowski:
Quote from @Bill B.:

You basically have zero insurance. You might as well stop paying it. Hopefully you have no net worth yet so you don’t mind losing it all. Hopefully it’s just a trip and fall or a fire and not an underage drinker. 

This is all ignoring you're renting to a known liar. Start the eviction process and make sure your future leases say STR is not allowed, owner occupants only, no sub-leasing, etc.


 Hi Bill, 

I am 100% in agreement with your post here. 

I just have a question for you, besides going straight into eviction, would there be any other reasonable solutions to help you re-structure the lease agreement without loosing that tenant (if you were to come to an agreement with them to not continue this act) 

I hope this makes sense, and thank you sir. 

I'm not the person who wrote what you are responding to, but in my opinion there is no reason to restructure the lease. If you wanted to keep the tenant you would serve a Cure/Quit notice to them to stop subletting and then you would have to monitor the house closely for awhile to make sure they aren't using it as an airbnb again.

As far as losing this tenant, not much of value would be lost if they moved out. This is a major lease violation, assuming what OP says is accurate. It would be hard to trust this person in the future.

Quote from @Bobby Paquette:
Quote from @Kendall Moore:

Hi I have a multi-family2 unit property in Houston, Tx . Not sure what or if I should do anything. I use one side for an airbnb myself. I rent the other unit out. I have a renter, the gentleman that was listed is in his 70s. I thought it was strange for a 70 year man to want a 3 bedroom 2 bath unit with all of the bathroom being on the second floor. I rented the place to him because he met the requirement for the rental income. I have since notice that he had not once visit the property (a younger couple comes by) and I now see the unit listed on airbnb. In the lease agreement it states the property is to be use for personal use by the renter only. I will say that the unit I placed on airbnb does not make more than what I could rent the unit. I am concern that my unit will have to compete for listing on airbnb with a unit I plan to rent out. Should I say anything to the renter or just let it be as long as they pay the rent every month. I plan to stop airbnb my unit next soon and likely will rent it out. 


 I think theres a few things to consider here..If its on AirBnb its likely getting cleaned a lot more than it would by a long term renter, your appliances are probably getting used a lot less than a long term renter, so theres 2 Win's for you. I do think it would compete against yours if similar size, and it may be more of an insurance risk. Finally, you could tell him you know that he has it listed on AirBnb and the lease states he cannot do that, but you are willing to keep letting it happen for an increased rent amount. 


 This is not a good idea.

Quote from @Kyle Sosnowski:
Quote from @Jason Cox:

You will really need to call a local agent to get an idea. It is very slim pickings right now, Citizens is the only option for many people. If you do get stuck with Citizens remember they only offer 100K liability, you'll have to buy an excess liability policy from another carrier to get higher amounts.

When buying a property here, allow for the expenses of updates to make the property insurable. They don't allow aluminum wiring, poly pipe, or (generally speaking) roofs more than 15 years old here. If someone does insure a roof at 15+ years it will be at a very jacked up premium.


 Hi Jason, this was a very awesome reply, thank you! I a couple questions for you. 1. When it comes to what you mentioned about the liability from Citizens (which I have heard about on a podcast now that you mention) being limited to a coverage of 100k. Would you please give any insight on to how the process and or rules apply to having two different liability policies from different providers? 2. With the expenses you mentioned, obviously these would be something that you probably figure out after an inspection I assume.. or is this information provided to you somewhere before inspection such as on a tax record or some online resource?? and thank you so much in advance!  

 1) the excess liability policy will be written by some company that does this kind of policy -- usually USLI. They may be able to write your umbrella policy too. These type of policies are written all the time in Florida due to Citizen's limitations. An agent will be able to advise you.

2) the home inspection will give you the knowledge you need for hidden problems like aluminum wiring, poly pipe etc. Also just facts like the age of the house and whether any part of the roof is flat -- you can find that info out on your own via public records and photos online. You may be able to find out the age of the roof by looking at county permit records.  

3) When you are ready to apply for a policy the carrier may require a separate 4 point inspection. This usually isn't a big deal unless there are some very old systems in the house that need to be replaced, or things that a big no-no like poly pipe. You can google 4 point inspection to see what it entails.

I'd serve the C/Q notice and get an eviction lawyer involved if he doesn't comply with the lease rules. In fact I might even have the lawyer serve the c/q notice by process server just to get the point across firmly. This situation needs to be nipped in the bud fast because of the liability and damage concerns.

Post: Any red flags here ?

Jason CoxPosted
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I've found that if someone lies or acts uncooperative during the application stage, there's always some kind of rule following problem with this person later on once they become your tenant, even if they had good credit, good job. Best to avoid those who tell lies and try to hide things, even if they they seem like harmless "white lies".

Sorry, but it sounds like you got played. If you are stuck renting to this person learn from this experience so it doesn't happen again. Get your screening streamlined so you know exactly what you will and will not tolerate.

I thought this might be an interesting topic. I'm talking about during pre-screening before you have run an application. Something that may not be a DQ but sets off your bad gut feeling (rightly or wrongly). I'm not really talking about obvious things like someone needing to move tomorrow. More subtle cues.

For me:

--prescreening answers pre-loaded with any type of "story" instead of just answering the questions

--won't just plainly state their income and give a number when asked  -- "oh I make lots of tips, and I get commissions....  Landlord must put in work if they want to get a real answer from this person.

--inserting irrelevant information when answering questions ("I am a US Army veteran" etc)

--they claim to have no rental history because they owned a house 

Quote from @Cari Sweet:

Anyone screening tenants should have a written policy on how they handle specific types of convictions; this protects you from claims of discrimination. 

Disagree strongly on this. Too many types of offenses, too complex to make hard and fast written rules on this. And with Biden & friends constantly changing the rules in the middle of the game to make things more "fair" having hard written rules on criminal can easily blow up in your face. My criminal criteria now is simply "all criminal offenses will be evaluated on a case by case basis".

You will really need to call a local agent to get an idea. It is very slim pickings right now, Citizens is the only option for many people. If you do get stuck with Citizens remember they only offer 100K liability, you'll have to buy an excess liability policy from another carrier to get higher amounts.

When buying a property here, allow for the expenses of updates to make the property insurable. They don't allow aluminum wiring, poly pipe, or (generally speaking) roofs more than 15 years old here. If someone does insure a roof at 15+ years it will be at a very jacked up premium.