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All Forum Posts by: Jarrett Fogelman

Jarrett Fogelman has started 7 posts and replied 20 times.

Post: Looking for an advisor on some rehab work

Jarrett FogelmanPosted
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 17

Hey all,

I purchased an older home this summer here in Medford Oregon and looking to make some upgrades in the home. The home was built in the 1930's and added on in the 1970s. The home is beautiful and has great character, but needs some attention in areas. This is my 2nd home and first time doing any remodeling. Before I start just throwing money into the house, I'd like to get a professional opinion on where I should focus my time and money to get the most value added into the home. I know kitchen and bathrooms are usually the first places to start.

If anyone can recommend someone to help me out please let me know.

Thanks!

Quote from @Lawrence Potts:

Hey Jarrett,

I think a lot of investors have PTSD from 2007-2008. We have to remember WHY it crashed: bad loans. People were given loans that shouldn’t have been and they couldn’t make the payments, secondary markets stopped buying, houses began getting foreclosed on, massive government bail outs, etc.

Those bad loans are not funded anymore. Lenders have very strict lending requirements now compared to prior 2007-2008. 

Right now we have massive inventory shortages in purchase and rental space. We are severely behind in building new. The Feds pushed down interest rates to historic lows back in 2020-2021 to encourage people to borrow and spend and reinvest the trillions of dollars printed back into the economy to prevent a collapse from the lockdowns. This meant that those who kept their jobs and were making decent money had more buying power. It also meant that marginal buyers could get into the game.

Now interest rates are back to 2016-2018 levels. Prices are very high in high appreciating markets and marginal buyers are no longer able to buy. Because demand (number of buyers) is decreasing, this may force home prices to settle down a bit. But with low supply, it’s hard to say what will happen with prices.

I think a “crash” could happen because of our highly inflated dollar and supply chain issues, fuel prices, etc., but real estate will not be the cause. In fact, real estate is one of the best hedges against inflation.

I don’t focus on interest rates too much. Yes, it can factor into your cashflow. But the average home owner moves after 7 years. People refinance all the time. Chances are in Medford, you’ll see appreciation each year and when you see your equity hit a certain point, you’ll probably cash out refinance and buy more real estate, therefore changing your interest rate anyways. So I don’t focus too much on it here because it doesn’t factor too much into my strategy or my clients’.

With that being said, we are looking at a different situation than 2007-2008. And what we do know is that our dollar today is worth less tomorrow. So buying an appreciating asset is safer than keeping your dollar sitting in the bank and waiting for the home run deal. There are deals out there: you don’t find deals, you make deals happen. That means you may have to find something off market. Make deals on properties that have been listed for +45 days. Look at other markets. I think the best time to buy was yesterday and the second best time to buy is today. People here can see everything we are seeing with low inventory, rising rates, and high demand, and they are still buying. 

It’s important to see these things but also important to look at our history and see what factors caused crashes and then analyze our market. And then you have to see what fits your strategy.

You can also reverse engineer worst case scenarios too: let’s say you buy a turn key rental and the market crashes. What’s the worst case? You have a rental that may be worth less than when you bought it. But as long as it cash flows, so what? You hold on to it until the market gets back up and then you have equity. Is your market high demand for rentals (the answer is YES)? Then you don’t have to worry too much about vacancies. Just keep a reserve for if you find yourself vacant for 2 months, you can stay afloat. Write out a strategy against the worst case scenario and then determine if that is something you’re willing to take on.

Hope that helps!

Great feedback! Thank you. I went and looked at a home today. And hopefully looking at a few more over the weekend!
Quote from @Cal Martin:

Hey Jarret! Medford, OR is a beautiful place and I'm jealous of you haha. You kind of answered your own question in a way. Low inventory across the country currently is acting as a buffer for the housing market. In the late 2000s crash we were building more homes than we had buyers for, creating a situation where the supply far outweighed the demand, but for that "slack" period people were still buying houses at their previous values, even though the market didn't justify that price. In addition, that crash was led on by lending practices that are highly illegal now both on the primary and secondary markets.

If I were you, I would just apply the same principles to real estate investing that you would in any market:

1) Only buy if the numbers make sense! As buy and hold investors it doesn't matter what the market does while we own the house. As long as rents stay relatively the same/increase and we bought at a fixed rate then it doesn't matter what the market does while we own.

2) If you're a flipper, give yourself some insurance by having multiple exit paths. Make sure the numbers work as a rental, just case of the small chance that the market does crash, because if it does, people still need a place with a roof over their head.

3) Save Reserves! The main variable in this equation is that you manage your property correctly which means keeping money for reserves for vacancy, cap ex, repairs, etc. If not it could put you in a financial position where you are forced to sell.

Also, if the right deal comes up, Medford seems like it would be a great STR market in the couple times I've been there.

You got this Jarret!

I appreciate the response and your input! Being new to the game things get overwhelming ag times. 
Medford could definitely be great for STR’s. I know a few people who have had success here 

I’m looking into buying my first investment property here in Medford Oregon. It’s a bit stressful at the moment with low inventory and high interest rates. 
I keep hearing one day that the markets going to crash, rates are only going up and I should wait. 
what are your thoughts?

Do you think the bubble is going to pop within the year?

Do you think that now is the time to buy with rates so high?

It’s a lot to take in and with me being so new to the game I’m not really sure what to think. 

Quote from @Ryan Johnson:

Hi Jarrett, I live in GP, am 34, and am investing in short-term rentals locally. I just got my second and have my sights on a BRRRR for the next. I second the BRRRR book and Kelsie's R.E.I group in Medford. It's great. Let me buy you lunch this week or next.

Hey,
how’s the short term rental thing going?
would be down to meet up and chat further!
Quote from @Kelsie Plummer:

Hey @Jarrett Fogelman - my husband and I are in Medford and run a real estate meetup group for others interesting in getting into real estate - we'd love to have you come to one of our meetups sometime! Our next one is in the works and should be Friday the 20th.  If you want to join future events look us up under - Rogue Valley Real Estate Investors Network on FB or meetup. We will also announce here on BP our meetings so if you have keyworks set up you should get an alert. Goodluck on your real estate adventures! 

Thanks for the invite! Is it still on for tomorrow?
Quote from @Grace Marie Weger:

Welcome Jarrette! I live in Bend and work for a non profit builder as their director of land acquisition and development. I also bought my first house last summer (such a lucky time to get in!) and am looking at purchasing another. 

I live in and rent my current home and completely cover the mortgage by doing so. I'm 29 and hadn't lived with anyone since college so it was a sacrifice that I knew I'd have to put up with for a little while. I'm ready to live on my own again and hope to purchase a house that has potential for an ADU.

The housing market here is crazy with the median house price at 778k, so I’m also looking into buying and building since that’s something I have expertise in from my work. 

Let’s stay in touch about our ventures! 

We definitely did get in at the right time!
So funny, im in the same exact boat as you. Was living solo, 29 years old and bought my house and now live in it with 2 other roommates who cover my mortgage. Definitely nice to have the mortgage help, but I miss living on my own!
Bend market is wild! Im out there quite often since I have a bunch of close friends living out there so here and there I check the market..it’s high! 
let’s definitely stay in touch!
Quote from @Andrea L smith:

Hey there :) 

I'm also a newbie in the Roseburg area. We should stay connected with our progress. I'm currently getting pre-approved for an investment property but phew the interest rates are insane 🤯. I don't know about you but the MLS doesn't seem to be cutting it as far as deals. Do you wholesale or drive for dollars? Where are you in your process?

Hey,
yes the rates are high. Some options down here in Jackson County but nothing that feels right quite yet. I’m hoping as we go into the summer months things will pick up and we’ll see new inventory and new construction on the MLS. I’m mainly just looking for a good rental to hold onto and build my portfolio. 
Hows things going for you?
Quote from @Lawrence Potts:

Welcome Jarrett!

Congrats on your first purchase 👍🏠 That's a big milestone, the first of many purchases. The BRRRR book by David Greene is an excellent read, especially if you're looking at growing your rental portfolio. Set up your keyword alerts in your settings for Medford, GP, or whatever you're looking for. That's probably the best way to find regional forum topics on here. We are not the biggest area but there are a lot of active investors in the area!
Thanks for chiming in, post any and all questions you have.

Thank you! I’ll check out the book. I’m super busy with my job and have no contracting experience so the BRRRR method is something right now I’m going to hold off on. I’m wanting to find a turn key rental that I don’t have to think twice about

Hello,

I just read Rental Property Investing by Brandon and loved the book. Tons of amazing info and insights from other investors around the country and in this community. 
I’m 30 years old and just bought my first house last summer, and I am now looking for my first single family home investment property. 
Any and all advice is much appreciated from others! And also, is there anyone else in this region on the forum?

Cheers,

Jarrett