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All Forum Posts by: Jarred Tate

Jarred Tate has started 3 posts and replied 16 times.

Post: 4 Plex Corpus Christi

Jarred TatePosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 4

Brian,

Thanks! I’ll rerun some numbers.

Post: 4 Plex Corpus Christi

Jarred TatePosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 4

Good Day!

I will get straight to it. There is a 4 plex for sale in Corpus Christi, TX. Each unit is 2 beds 1 bath. Each unit rents for $1075 ($4300 total gross). Currently 3 of the 4 units are occupied. The vacant unit that I did see was in C+ condition. There is a four space car port on the back of the property. Asking price $215,000. With the numbers as they are, when the property is fully occupied it follows the "2% rule". Based on the "50% rule" it would cash flow $450/mo. I am assuming a $200,000 purchase price which is a $1700/mo mortgage payment which includes (PITI). The only number I am not sure about is the insurance. I assumed a $2,000 annual cost.

What am I missing? I will get inspections done and I know some work needs to be done, since there was some water damage in the unit I saw. The roof and all windows are three years old.

Any advice is greatly appreciated, this seems like a really good deal. Thanks!

Post: How does this duplex deal sound?

Jarred TatePosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Jarrod Alston:

and always buy 20% or more below market. Because you never know

 Jarrod, I'll think up a way to make another offer, since everything is still just verbal at this point, to get a number 20% lower. Thanks. 

Post: How does this duplex deal sound?

Jarred TatePosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Shawn Ackerman:

@Jarred Tate with a few assumptions being made, here is how I see the deal.

Assuming the gross rents will be $2,475 

- 30% or $742.50(10% Cap Ex, 5% Vacancy, 5% maintenance, 10% property management) 

-P&I =905.61

-Taxes = 343.91

-Insurance = $140

Cash Flow/NOI = $342.98

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COCR(Cash on cash return) down payment of $42,000 or 20% - Total return on your money after 1 year = 10%

Cap Rate =2%

***If you are going to self manage then you save yourself 10% of gross rents. If vacancy is higher than 5% you have to make adjustments for that and same applies to maintenance at 5% and CapEx at 10%

If this was my money, I would not do the deal.  However if I was looking to park money and there is an appreciation play there I may consider it.  

What is the value of the property?  If the value is the purchase price then it's a terrible deal.   However if the property is worth let's say $285K wherein the bank will give you 70% of the appraised value ($199K) after 6 months then the deal may make sense as you will only have $10K of your money in the deal at that point.  However the P&I changes as the new loan amount will go from $168,000 to $199K.  

Best of luck to you.  Always remember to persist and you will WIN!!!!

 Shawn,

Thanks for your response. I didn't  really consider the actual or potential value of the property. I based our offer on these numbers:

$2475x70%= $1732.5

$1732.5x12=$20790

$20790/10% cap rate=$207,900

So I might be looking at a terrible deal?

Post: How does this duplex deal sound?

Jarred TatePosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Ben Wilkins:

Ok - I looked a little deeper, and I'm starting to have a few more questions.

You stated $400+ per month cash flow - since I came up with almost $300 in my initial look, I didn't really think much of the difference.

After looking a little more, I started thinking that you might be skipping a few expenses:

1. Are you including a maintenance savings?

2. Are you including a CapEx savings?

3. What vacancy are you assuming?

4. Are you planning to manage it yourself forever? What PM percentage are you setting aside as an expense? Is your time worth some money? What if you decide to pass management to someone else later down the road?

5. Are you including your own electric bill, or is there a third meter for the "common areas"?

So some quick math to explain where I'm coming from. Let's say you get a second tenant, and your total income goes to $2,400.00 per month. My assumptions are as follows:

Annual Property Tax: $4,000

Annual Insurance: $1,000

Annual Utilities (someone has to pay sewer / trash): $1,000 (which is really low)

So annual expenses are $6,000 which is $500 per month.

Mortgage is $927.70 per month, which brings your expenses up to $1427.70 per month

Now let's add in the "percentage expenses"

Maintenance: 10% of income ($240 per month)

CapEx: 10% of income ($240)

PM: 10% of income ($240)

Vacancy: 8% of income ($192)

Total percentage expenses: $912.00 per month

Total expenses: $2,339.70

Now, if you want to make the cash flow look good you can take out PM. You can also ignore Maintenance, CapEx, and Vacancy if you want, but you'll put yourself in a bad situation if you get an extended vacancy or if you have to replace the roof, siding, water heaters, etc.

While you will still cash flow, it will be a lot less than $400 per month unless if you take the risk and don't set aside savings for maintenance and CapEx.

You may have included those in your numbers, but if you did I think we arrived at different conclusions (or I'm missing something)

Food for thought!

 Ben, thanks again... here we go:

1. Are you including a maintenance savings? Not sure what that means exactly, but I have accounted for maintenance at 5%

2. Are you including a CapEx savings? Yes, at 5%

3. What vacancy are you assuming? 5%

4. Are you planning to manage it yourself forever? No, that would go to a 10% expense. 

5. Are you including your own electric bill, or is there a third meter for the "common areas"? No common areas. Each unit has own meter for water and electric. Tenants are responsible for all utilities. 

Here are my expense numbers:

Mortgage: $1386 (includes ins& tax)

Repairs: $124

CapEx: $124

Vacancy: $124

Management: $250

Total expenses: $2008

I'll bump my percentages up as maybe I was too low in my estimations and re-evaluate. 

Thanks! 

Post: How does this duplex deal sound?

Jarred TatePosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Ben Wilkins:

@Jarred Tate - as long as you get a second tenant, this looks like a fairly good deal. If I estimate 50% of your income going toward percentage expenses, you're looking at a cash flow of $270 per month. While this isn't stellar, it is above $100 per door and it allows you to set aside savings for maintenance, CapEx, etc.

Only a few questions bother me:

What's the story behind one vacant unit and one new tenant? Was the entire building vacant before that? Was the previous owner doing a rehab? Are there any CapEx items that might need repaired in the next two years? Why is one unit $400 more per month than the other?

 Ben, thanks for all of the questions. We definitely want to make sure we consider everything before proceeding. 

Both units were vacant and the 2/2 received a tenant first (seller has expressed that they are very picky-no pets, no college students). They were vacant for 1-2 months. No rehab and I think the roof is approaching a redo in th next week 2-5 years. The other unit is $400 more because it is a 3/2.5 vice a 2/2.

Post: How does this duplex deal sound?

Jarred TatePosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Why would the seller have a one year lease signed $475 under market a week ago ?

Steven, one unit is a 3/2.5 and the other is a 2/2, so the rent in the smaller unit is less.  

Post: How does this duplex deal sound?

Jarred TatePosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 4

Thanks Mark. Will do!

Post: How does this duplex deal sound?

Jarred TatePosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 4

Addam,

Thanks for the response. How it is currently rented, with the one side vacant, it's at -$390 a month purely from the mortgage. But with the other side rented it's at +$400 a month after all expenses, which I am happy with. The mortgage would be totally covered if the other side were currently rented now as well or even just it on it's own. 

Post: Is this 2/1 duplex a good buy?

Jarred TatePosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 4

Hello again,

My wife and I are getting ready to purchase a different duplex. Side A is 3/2.5 and side B is 2/2. There is a carport on the back of the property with four spaces. I am inquiring to see if this is a good deal. Below are the details.

Side A rents for $1475 (VACANT). Side B rents for $1000 (OCCUPIED). Purchase price will be $210,000 with the seller paying up to $5,000 in closing costs. Closing costs are looking to be about $5,000.

Our loan will be 20% down at 5.25% for 30 years. P&I=905.61. Insurance=~$140. Taxes=$343.91.

Both units are in good shape and are separately metered for water and electric. Side B tenant moved in last week on a 1 year lease. The plan is to meet up with the seller in the near future and write up a contract. Once the contract is written, we will order inspections and re-negotiate price if needed based on repairs. For those who know about South Texas, the property is windstorm certified.

Based on the numbers, would you purchase this property? Thank you for your inputs.