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All Forum Posts by: James Fisher

James Fisher has started 8 posts and replied 43 times.

Post: BRRRRing a house conversion

James FisherPosted
  • Investor
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 17

In my market, a college town, there are quite a few old Victorians that were converted to multi-family. 


Has anyone here had any experience purchasing and reconfiguring a home like this using the BRRRR method?

For instance, I know of one that is in foreclosure and will likely be auctioned off within the next few months.  It is zoned multi-family, but is in very poor condition and has not been lived in for several years.  Assuming the property doesn't have compliance issues with the city for some reason and maintains its multi-family compliance, I've considered purchasing it.


I think it is possible to reconfigure it from having 3 units with 6 total bedrooms to 3 units with 9 bedrooms, as bedroom count is king in my location. I'm just wondering if there is something I'm missing or not thinking of with my plan of bringing units on one at a time. Likely the top floor first, then middle, then lower level.  I'm starting at the top so as to disturb the tenants as little as possible when I work.

Post: Is rental income applied to social security earnings?

James FisherPosted
  • Investor
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 17

I feel like I should know this already, but am drawing a blank.

As an example:

John is 35 and has worked for 20 years.  He has enough 'good' years to draw social security when he hits 65 (or whatever).   Also, John has rentals that generates $75,000 (net) per year.  He decides it is time to quit his day job, and live off of his rental income.

Since social security at age 65 (just an example) is based off of his 30 best years, once John quits his day job do years 21 to 30 count as 0?  Or does the income generated from his rental income get applied?

I don't really understand the question.

This seems more information that you need to research or that a real estate agent can help you with.  A real estate attorney can surely do this for you....but not for free.  Is it worth $300 an hour for an attorney to read the same documents you can read?

Post: Public Courthouse Auctions

James FisherPosted
  • Investor
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 17
Originally posted by @Matt Dunlap:

The live auctions here are a pain in the ***. There are usually around 5 possible properties, but most don't actually make it to auction and the one or two that do sell for a high price IMO. You sit there for hours for nothing. I think the large teams send the rookies to the auctions and they call the investor if the property auction happens.

I find that auction.com is a good place to get practice properties for analyzing, like Brendan always says

When it comes to tax liens, my experience has been a firm of some sort will bid on ALL the liens, and outbid all other bidders.  They are not bidding in order to win the property, but to get a guaranteed return on their bid (investment).  All (most?) states allow a redemption period after the tax lien is 'won'.  The property owner pays the lien amount plus a little interest.  The firms are after that interest - not the property.

On the other side of the equation, there are property owners that utilizes the tax lien rules to their advantage.  They don't pay the property tax immediately,  and instead deploy those funds in some other way.  Paying off a high interest loan/mortgage, a new property, etc.  When they redeem the property with the lien, they pay the lien amount and the interest (mentioned above), which in effect works out to be a super low interest loan.

Post: Buyer of Our Home Trying to Sue Us

James FisherPosted
  • Investor
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 17

Is there a property inspection report?  Seller's disclosure?

Did you hire an engineer that recommended some additional work that was not performed?  I suppose it would be a stretch, but did you have a contractor make a recommendation that wasn't followed through on?


If the report and disclosure is accurate and you aren't hiding something from an engineer/contractor - tell them to pound sand.  

Post: Investment opportunity/ Flip

James FisherPosted
  • Investor
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 17

A vacant home (for an unspecified amount of time) in a smaller community in WV (most likely a dying community) that one cannot access due to the entrance road/bridge being blocked by a creek (suing a neighbor an easement!!)....selling for 15k.

Do you have $100k immediately accessible for rehab and can you do ALL the work yourself?  That may get you started.  

Post: Rotten floor joists. Can it be fixed?

James FisherPosted
  • Investor
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 17
Originally posted by @Jessica Vanderveen:

The property I'm hoping to purchase has dry rot through all of the floor joists. There is a foot of water in the basement and it's been like that for about 10 years. All the joists would need to be replaced. Has anyone done this? Is it possible? Should this turn me off from the flip? 

If you are doing the rehabbing, replacing joists is no big deal.  The expense is in the labor - though I have no idea the scope of the damage or the best approach from your description.   IE - removing the flooring/sub-flooring, joist dimensions and span, # of joists to replace, mold, etc.

The elephant in the room is - where is the water coming from?  To mitigate that may be a few hundred bucks or $10,000+.  

I have two 100+ year old properties.  Unequivocally, if you are paying a contractor to do the rehab work on these old neglected homes YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR ***.  Even if you get the property for free.  

Post: Will it be difficult to rent a murder house?

James FisherPosted
  • Investor
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 17

Thank you all for the insight!

Post: Will it be difficult to rent a murder house?

James FisherPosted
  • Investor
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 17

Here is the scenario.

The Good:  Great neighborhood, excellent location, 3 bed/2 baths, nice lot, garage, excellent price.

The Bad: Arson.  The former owner tried to burn it down.

The Ugly: The former owner murdered his wife and then committed suicide as the house was on fire.

I don't believe in any superstitious nonsense, but I'm sure renters do.  I'm looking for a new DIY project and the situation above has presented itself.    

Will this rent or will it require a deep discount to fill?

Originally posted by @Guy Azta:

Hi - I'm a bit like you, possibly one step ahead. I own SFRs, some small multi families (3-plex, 4-plex) and a 12-unit. The 12-unit has been losing money and been a real terrible experience. So I'm going to share a bit from my current experience and realizations:

- the people who told me to stay away from the small "cheap" multi families were right (by cheap I mean under $500K). It's hard to get a management company to care about it and do a good work at a low cost. I have not been successful with it. In contrast, my SFRs have been great (including management) and my 3-plex/4-plex buildings have been ok. So the point is that doing well with SFRs doesn't necessarily translate to successful switch to cheap apartment buildings

- at this point I would rather buy new properties in markets I already know and under a management company I work with and like. Since apartment buildings are more difficult to manage overall (some say the opposite, good for them), the need for a really good and responsible company is very important. And if you plan on managing it yourself, it just seems like death by thousand cuts and surefire path to misery

- if you venture to new markets, as others say, pay attention to demographic trends. Stay away from cities that are posting year over year population declines. The market will most likely keep deteriorating forcing you to lower your rents and deal with lesser tenant pool

- many of the good markets right now are overpriced. With SFRs and even small residential multi-units, things don't often go very bad. with apartments they certainly can. You want to ensure you have enough margin left at the end of every month

I hope this helps.

 Hello Guy,

Just curious in what ways you've not been successful with the 12 unit building?