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All Forum Posts by: Jad Boudiab

Jad Boudiab has started 4 posts and replied 244 times.

Post: In Search of Architect - Cleveland west side

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248
Originally posted by @Jim Cran:

I've searched the forums but haven't found much on this topic. Anyone have any recommendations for an architect on the west side of Cleveland? I already have the engineer's report but need an architect to draw up his recommendations toward raising the existing ceiling of a flip house about 2 ft. Currently, the ceiling is a bit under 8 ft and I plan to raise it to about 10.5 ft. I will be submitting the engineer's report and architectural drawing to the City for approval. Thanks in advance for your recommendations!

 You can try calling the city and asking them for registered architects. Our last architect was recommended by the Brooklyn building commissioner, I’ll DM you his info once I’m back in the office tomorrow.

Post: Looking for Property Managers and Turnkey Providers

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248

@Jeff Schechter it sounds like you're running a solid operation, here's where we part ways.

The Buyer

My client is a value-add investor in growth phase. Think BRRRR model, continuous value-add, refinance, then repeat until the investor reaches his or her goal.

Your client (TK buyer) is an investor paying retail prices with no room to force equity, and very often paying a premium for a nicely rehabbed and tenanted property. This is generalizing, I know, but still non-congruent with a value-add investor.

The Concept - Room to add value

I'm an investor myself and I value the efficiencies your model provides, but I'm also a realist. Meaning, I see how your model may add value through bulk buying and process efficiencies (kudos to your COO / operations team), but let's get real here.. You mentioned your turnkey markup is NOT felt by the investor, which may very well be true and deserves a commendation, but what percentage of the turnkey providers out there are as efficient and can meet this markup cap? What percentage of those turnkey providers' markups are NOT felt by the investor? And out of that small percentage, how many are willing to leave equity on the table and sell below market value?

Even with the scale and efficiencies, I'm still paying retail prices. I highly doubt a TK provider is consistently taking on the risk of buying the property, rehabbing it, and still reselling at less than market value. Few can carry this out without going sideways, there's still overhead the company needs to cover. Thus, I say, turnkey leaves less room for equity. That's why it's turnkey, it's a done for you operation, investor pays retail for the service, and it's a great service for the ideal turnkey investor, but it's not for the value-add buyer in growth phase.

The Operation - Economies of Scale & Efficiencies

The bulk buying of properties is an ultimate advantage for a turnkey provider, this is the biggest value-add in the entire business model. No one can compete with you here aside from the well-funded investor that can buy in bulk directly. This is an establish investor, odds are they're not buying from either of us, they have their ducks in a row to replace our role of buying, managing their rehabs, and possibly even managing.

The rest of the process efficiencies such as bulk buying of construction materials and passing on the rehab savings is a benefit, but this one is common among most operators and property management companies, not strictly turnkey providers. Our small construction markup is merely a project management and inspection charge to carry out the project and ensure the work is completed up to our standards.

We're a management company first, not a construction operation. The process is no different from hiring a GC, except our cost on materials is lower, and we get the best price from our sub-contractor teams who are carrying out 5-8 projects for us every month. It's fair to say we're in the same ball park on construction savings, this isn't a turnkey exclusive deal. The more efficient a company can become, the more value it can bring to the investor. I would question the system's integrity if these cost savings aren't sought after, or better yet they're being achieved but not passed along to the end buyer. That's both during the rehab, or on maintenance.

Buying Right is Everything

Our investor can buy at a Sheriff Sale, through a wholesaler, right off the of the MLS, direct from seller, anywhere. Our model is not for us to profit on acquisition, that's a losing game especially with a single-family investor. What's 3% on a $45,000 purchase? Our wholesaling connections make 5 times that amount per deal, we obviously would be in the wrong business.

Here's a scenario - investor buys deal on or off-market for less than market value, gets a rehab estimate prior to closing (except Sheriff Sale acquisitions, that's a site-unseen purchase), we carry out the rehab at lower than average rates, and manage the property long-term. We're interested in the long game, not the 1-2 year management contract that disappoints the investor (this is way too common in management).

The model leaves room for the investor to increase their equity in the deal, so long as they're buying right. This is the only way we can do more deals together. Otherwise, the investor would have to be well funded to pay retail every time, and the only way to grow is through their own capital and not real estate value investing.

Is this model always perfect? No, it's tougher to find such deals and it's too much involvement for someone who wants to be more passive. It's certainly more risky than a done for you operation from start to finish. That's normal, more risk, more reward.

The Bottom Line

The same principal still applies, regardless of the model, regardless of whether you're in Indy or Cleveland or any other market. If you're playing the long game, providing real value and your business model is sustainable, you will make it. Your clients are regarded as somewhat of a partner, rather than a one-off transaction.

It's evident your organization @Jeff Schechter is not around to make a quick buck and get out, otherwise you wouldn't invest in the systems and people to make your model efficient and sustainable. I'd love to hear more about it maybe off-line someday, I'd shoot some holes into your model, and you do the same, as it seems we're both on similar paths.

Post: Are Midwest locations drying up?

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248

Going off of what @James Wise mentioned, no way of landing a Euclid double today for $78k on the market. You'll find this off-market, wholesalers, direct to seller, but not on the market.

$78k on market may be do-able in Cleveland proper neighborhoods like Old Brooklyn. Solid duplex, plenty of rental demand.

- Is the market drying up? No.

- Is the MLS dry? Maybe, it's a bit more tight than a few years ago. But that's everywhere.

Buy at wholesale prices, there's plenty of deals out there, just connect with more people and let them know you're buying. It's like a sales job, numbers game.

Post: Looking for Property Managers and Turnkey Providers

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248

@Milton Marcelin @Melissa Nash you both make great points.

There are lots of "Turnkey" providers that give the industry a bad rep, and as @Melissa Nash mentioned a reputable company who's in it for the long game and interested in working with the client for 10-20 years will not slip a quick one on you. It will eventually come around, and the client will leave them for a more reputable provider / opportunity. Think Morris Invest, and the whole short term gains that's come back around to haunt them.

I personally don't like the traditional turnkey model as a value add investor, since the work is done for you at a premium. I do however see it as a great option for someone in the medical profession, for example, who's not capable of putting all the pieces together themselves.

We've gone the route of helping the client buy on / off the MLS, providing them the construction and management services they need post closing, therefore leaving more value and equity for the investor. This is similar to what @Milton Marcelin is referencing by going around the middleman. It's slightly more work to start, same process post-closing.

Post: In need of more investment capital

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248
Originally posted by @Aaron Peterson:

After 15+ years of investing part-time, I just finished my 5th flip and closed on my 11th long term hold rental property. My ROI numbers on the rentals are super solid. I'm in need of more investors or hard money. Any suggestions? I'm in NE Ohio.

 Lack of capital, not a bad problem to have.

It sounds like you're doing well, you may need to give more details but BP is a great place to start networking and potentially raising private money.

  • What more details do you have on your operation, returns, niche?
  • Why should someone invest with you?
  • Are you in the Cleveland market, Akron / Canton market, another market?
  • How long would an investor expect to have their money tied up for while working with you on a deal?
  • Are the funds going towards flipping, or buying long-term rentals?

I personally don't like being tied down to hard money; short term capital and high interest rates. Building relationships and raising private money is the way to go.

Post: First multifamily rental property

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248

I see this question all the time; single family vs. multi-family?

As a first time investor with little experience in real estate investing, specifically out of state real estate investing, I would highly suggest starting with a B grade Single Family home, around 1,300 sq. ft. with a decent school system.

This will attract quality tenants, your management company will not (better not) bring you issues of surprises, non-payment, etc. and this allows you to gain the full experience of building a team and acquiring a property, without all of the headaches.

Very often new investors jump into multi-family in lower class neighborhoods, only to have a turnover and a serious rehab ahead of them that they were not mentally nor financially ready for. With real estate, it's okay to start slow, and go for the safe bet. You don't need a potential home run (on paper) that goes sideways from the get go. This is not specific to Cleveland, this happens all over the country and in many markets. Start with the safe bet, build your team (this involves more work than buying your first deal), then scale and grow.

Post: 2019 cash flow markets! ?

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248

@Matt J. I never bother to look at the source of those "best places" lists, but Ohio is one of those best places for cash flow. I bet it would rank low on appreciation.

Maybe a little less in Columbus where it's less cash flow more appreciation, but our Cleveland market is filled with investment property and positive cash flow.

Regardless of the market, good and bad pockets do exist and you want to know the area well prior to jumping in.

Post: Do we have any meetups in Cleveland ?

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248

There's a Cleveland meetup every last Thursday of the month on Rockside, connect with @Ron Szmik for more details.

Post: Introduction From Cleveland, OH

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248
Originally posted by @Mario Gagliardi:

Hello from Cleveland, OH! My name is Mario Gagliardi. I started investing in real estate last year when I purchased a home from the Cuyahoga County Sheriff Sale. My occupation is Dentistry. I work 14 12 hour shifts a month at an urgent care dental clinic. Dealing with contractors can be more difficult than pulling teeth. My real estate/ life inspirations are Arnold Schwarzenegger, Tim Ferris, Tony Robbins, and Robert Kiyosaki. I confess to enjoying Clayton Morris’s podcast. Real estate/ business books that I have enjoyed have been Rich Dad Poor Dad, Loopholes of Real Estate, The Book on Rental Property Investing, and Getting More.

I am a registered general contractor in Cleveland. Many of my family members are tradesmen or landlords. The first house I purchased at the sheriffs sale was in a nicer area of Cleveland (West 143rd) but turned out to be a level 5 hoarder (yes there are different levels of hoarders- look it up!). Originally I intended to rent the property but after a lengthy rehab I’m going to try and 1031 exchange it with the guidance of a couple lawyers and a CPA.

I’m finalizing a purchase agreement for my second property which will be my first partnership (with my father). My five year plan is 3 units in 2018 (I purchased just one), 3 more in 2019, 6 more in 2020, 12 in 2021, and 24 in 2022. I’m hoping to exchange my first property for a multi unit property. So far I have built a team that consists of a supportive girlfriend, two lawyers, a property manager, a general contractor, electrician, plumbing and HVAC guy, roofer and tree guy, window guy, real estate agent, and insurance agent. I’m looking to round out my team with a good title company, back up electricians, plumbers, and HVAC guys, and lenders.

Some of my early lessons

- befriend and treat your neighbors well if your property is vacant

- under no circumstances pay the balance of a contractor bill until the work is 100% complete

- the least expensive contractor bid is not always the best value

-network and put yourself out there

- there’s so much content out there (YouTube, podcasts, books). Learn as much as possible and try to focus on timely information and not ‘what if’ information (ex- if you are rehabbing a property watch rehab videos, not tenant screening videos)

In my opinion if your means allow it you should take action as soon as possible with the understanding that you are going to suck at first. Experience is the best teacher.

Best of luck out there

Mario

 You're off to a great start, 3 more this year should be easy!

My first one was a similar story, a westside Cleveland squatter home vacant for 10+ years. Picked it up at the Sheriff Sale, had to remove the squatter and two 40 yard dumpsters out of there. Fun stuff!

Post: Buy 2nd Multi-Family Vs. Renovate Current For Higher Rent

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248
Originally posted by @Justin Kestler:

Hello! My Name is Justin K. and I currently reside in Lakewood Ohio (a suburb on the west-side of Cleveland). I bought my first duplex 2 years ago and I currently live on the top half with two friends from college and rent out the bottom. I have built up about 25k in capital, and I am wondering if I should use that to renovate my top half of the duplex, or buy and move into another rental property. 

I purchased the duplex in 2017 for $180,000 with a 30- year conventional loan ($1,385 monthly mortgage payment with tax and insurance) and have about $35,000 worth of equity in the property. I rent out the 2 bedroom bottom unit for $1,150 and charge my friends who live with me in the 3 bedroom top half unit 400 each. The top unit is functional, however potential updates include, refinishing the hardwood floors, updating the kitchen, updating the bathroom, replacing 7 windows and most importantly blowing insulation into the attic (my bed room) so that it is more inhabitable during the summer months. I estimate all of these renovations will run me about $15,000, however I believe that after my friends leases are up in a year I will be able to charge around $1400 in rent ($500 more than I currently could charge if I moved out). If I chose to go this avenue I would then buy a second multi-family home in about a year with about $35,000 (this including the subtraction of the $15,000 for renovations) that I could save up during that time.

My other option is to buy a multi-family right now with my $25,000 using a FHA loan. I am currently looking at a triplex in Tremont ( a Cleveland borough) that costs $310,000. The current gross income is $3,200 a month (it would be $2,500 with me living in one of the units) and my mortgage with tax would be about $2,300 a month.

I am open to any suggestions about my situation, please and thank you.

 Buy the next one, bring your college roommates over with you to cover your rent, lease out your Lakewood unit. Five units in solid areas is a great start.