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All Forum Posts by: Jacob Dodson

Jacob Dodson has started 3 posts and replied 13 times.

At $200 cash flow each, and with some partners, I need 32 doors. You would need 20 doors. Although I find that in my market I can cash-flow upwards of $500 per door if not more depending on the situation. I believe Brandon Turner has a minimum of $200 cash flow after expenses for every door so that should help set your goals and expectations. It is a marathon, not a sprint. If you can rehab quickly and refi to get all your money out, then that really helps keep the pace up.

THanks for the updates...us newbies are trying to get our heads around it.

Looking to start BRRRRing in WA state, specifically north Seattle in Snohomish County. I am personally getting started at this phase of my investment portfolio and am excited to talk and trade information. I already scan the BRRRR forum but want a more geographical based conversation. All you brokers and agents let me know who you are. If you invest in WA state, lets talk.

Lets start with your name and what you want to do soon or have done recently.

Going through this myself as a newbie. After talking with my mortgage broker and a recommended hard money lender, this is how I understand it. You need to have 25-30% on the total purchase price + rehab costs as a refundable down payment.(IE: sale price $75K + rehab costs $25K =  $25K to $30K just to get the hard money going). Fix the house quickly (45-60 days recommended). The value after repairs is $150K. My bank broker did not require a renter/occupancy for refi but I guess its good to do right away. Line it up while you remodel. You get an appraisal and refi with your bank on the hard money note, or cash out refi where you have enough equity to do this and still maintain 25% equity. So you refinance the 100K in order to cover the hard money note and you cash out $12.5K. At the end you can get your down payment back from the hard money lender and possibly get $12.5K on top to go into the next project (up to $42.5K). If you can't cash out, then you get your initial down payment back and you successfully have an income property in your name using other people's money. This is how it was taught to me through a broker and hard money lender. 

For me, I have to take on a partner for the first part and either pay back with interest or split future rent revenue.

I was just on Redfin and compared to some other areas I have been looking into, Vegas seemed like there was a lot going on. I STAND CORRECTED, I wasn't using data just my eyes. Thank you Vegas investors for weighing in. And since I have you lot's attention, what is the best rental market down there? SF, MF, MH,...etc

Noticed the mls in Las Vegas is crazy busy. Looks like every block has a seller. Is this a buyers market there right now.

Originally posted by @Evan Polaski:

@Jacob Dodson cash only means the seller does not want to accept inspections, appraisals, etc.  They want a quick close with no real hiccups.  

There is nothing wrong with hard money loans.  I have used them for flips.  And it is totally a viable way to get into the business.  I was just making the point that you need to know those costs and make sure the deal works.  A lot of new investors assume they can buy a property (cash/loan/hard money, doesn't matter), do some rehab and immediately get all of their money back through a loan and have a house.  It doesn't really work that way, at least in that fast of a timeline. 

Thanks for the heads up. It doesn't seem worth all the head ache. Rather buy a BRRRR house in a better price range where I can just do it on my own entirely. Although, I heard some banks won't let me refi under $100K. More hoops to jump through I guess. CASH is KING.

Originally posted by @Evan Polaski:

@Jacob Dodson, you did not provide all of the info needed.

But the name of BRRRR outlines the steps: Buy, rehab, RENT, refi. The only layer you are adding is the hard money on the buy. So you use that money to buy and rehab. Then you get it rented (your lease will help the bank feel more comfortable with the loan, since they will know the property is self sufficient).

The one issue with this model with hard money (not an issue a much as a cost to account for): most banks will want 12 months of seasoning before they will refi based on ARV. Some will do 6, but with the current uncertainty, those are harder to find. Just plan to have that hard money loan out for 12 months or more, and the interest associated with it.

With all the NO MONEY down publications out there, and all I have read on here about BRRRR strategy, hard money seems to be the only way outside of rich friends with no where to put money. Do you have thoughts on how to buy cash only listings without hard money...obviously the NO MONEY down way?

Originally posted by @Andrew Syrios:

What is your rehab estimate? And are you trying to hit the 70% rule or are you being a bit more aggressive? 

The refinance pays off the hard money loan at the time of refinance. So the new bank loan goes on the property right as the hard money loan is paid back.

 The REHAB has a total estimate of $75K. The asking price of $300K is too high for sure, but I was wondering how to apply the 70% rule to this? Do I offer $230K which is 70% or $300K or do I offer $187K so that combined with rehab, it hits the 70% threshold all said and done?

House is being listed for $300k. ARV is roughly 375k. What is my offer on it? Somehow the calculator is confusing me.

Secondly, how does the refi pay off my hard money? Does it have to be rented before I can refi?