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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

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Post: Insurance Clause in a Lease

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You cannot force (require) a tenant to purchase Renter's Insurance as stated in your example.

13. DAMAGE TO PREMISES In the event the Premises are destroyed or rendered wholly
uninhabitable by fire, storm, earthquake, or other casualty not caused by the negligence of
Tenant, this California Lease Agreement shall terminate from such time except for the purpose of
enforcing rights that may have then accrued hereunder. The rental provided for herein shall then
be accounted for by and between Landlord and Tenant up to the time of such injury or destruction
of the Premises, Tenant paying rentals up to such date and Landlord refunding rentals collected
beyond such date. Should a portion of the Premises thereby be rendered uninhabitable, the
Landlord shall have the option of either repairing such injured or damaged portion or terminating
this Lease. In the event that Landlord exercises its right to repair such uninhabitable portion, the
rental shall abate in the proportion that the injured parts bears to the whole Premises, and such
part so injured shall be restored by Landlord as speedily as practicable, after which the full rent
shall recommence and the California Lease Agreement continue according to its terms.

21. INDEMNIFICATION Landlord shall not be liable for any damage or injury of or to the Tenant,

Tenant’s family, guests, invitees, agents or employees or to any person entering the Premises or
the building of which the Premises are a part or to goods or equipment, or in the structure or
equipment of the structure of which the Premises are a part, and Tenant hereby agrees to
indemnify, defend and hold Landlord harmless from any and all claims or assertions of every kind
and nature.

49. RENTER'S INSURANCE Tenant's personal items, including furniture, jewelry, clothing, etc. are not insured by Landlord's insurance company. Should any items be destroyed by fire, stolen, or damaged in any way the Landlord nor the Landlord's insurance company will be liable. Therefore, the Tenant may consider purchasing a Renter's Insurance Policy.


Post: Funding & Management Partnership

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What names are going to be on the property's title. If your name is not on the title then you are only a manager. You may think you can form an LLC and still be entitled to a percent of the profit, but I have a saying that says, "He Who Holds The Money Rules." If you think the LLC partnership will help you get your share think twice. Later, down the road, the LLC partnership won't be worth the paper it is written on when things go south.

You really need an attorney and in most states there are many laws you have to abide by when forming partnerships. The problem I always have with attorneys is they take your money and make believe they are protecting your, but there are so many laws and requirements they really can't cover everything when writing contracts and partnership agreements. That is why so many people have to go to court to settle what the attorneys did not cover.

As for the percent you want to split. It depends on how much your partner has his hands in the deal. We had a similar post last week where someone was forming a syndicated partnership. This is something you should do. You will be the general partner. Your friend is the limited partner. You do everything and your friend only puts up the money. In that case, a very fair amount of the profit for your partner is 10% to 20%. 


Post: What is the minimum cashflow you would accept for a rental?

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Too confusing with the mistake. So, I reposted it.

How does the ROI for real estate decrease every year. I wish we had the ability to post images.

As states in many posts, you don't get rich collecting rents and having tenants pay down the mortgage.

According to the charts I cannot post:

Purchase an average property for $140,000
The value at the close of escrow is $140,000
Down payment $40,000
Closing costs $3,000 and add to $40,000 = $43,000 down payment
Cash flow is $338 per month
First year return is 0.65%
In this deal the ROI actually increases every year. 1st = 0.65% 2nd = 5.41% total average over 30 years = 9.82%

Now I will show how the ROI decreases every year. The first property was a dog because you don't get rich from rental income.

I did calculations for the same house with several different down payments. My business model is to double my investment capital every year, or earn 50% to 100% on my investment capital every year. Of course, these numbers do not include many factors. Some factors are in your favor i.e. credit for interest payments, depreciation, or whatever and some factors are not in your favor i.e. your cost to sell the property. So, maybe the good and the bad are 'a wash'.

Purchase the same property for a discounted price of only $20,000. I like $40,000 better, but I will go low for the purpose to show the numbers.

Purchase an average property for $120,000 (Same property as above, but with a $20,000 discount)
The value at the close of escrow is $140,000
Down payment $40,000
Costs $3,000 and total down payment is $43,000
Cash flow is $338 per month
First year return is 50.69%
In this deal the ROI actually decreases every year. 1st = 50.69% 2nd = 30.41% total average over 30 years = 11.49%

Now, if we increase the rents every year, the average ROI for the first property over 30 years is 11.56%

The average for the 2nd property over 30 years is 13.23%


Post: What is the minimum cashflow you would accept for a rental?

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Sorry! The numbers in the last post for the 2nd example are not correct. The correct numbers are on the bottom of the post. Don't know what happened. The ROI in the 2nd example is correct, but the purchase price was supposed to be $120,000 (not $140,000). It would be nice if we had the ability to edit posts.

Post: What is the minimum cashflow you would accept for a rental?

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How does the ROI for real estate decrease every year. I wish we had the ability to post images.

As states in many posts, you don't get rich collecting rents and having tenants pay down the mortgage.

According to the charts I cannot post:

Purchase an average property for $140,000
The value at the close of escrow is $140,000
Down payment $40,000
Closing costs $3,000 and add to $40,000 = $43,000 down payment
Cash flow is $338 per month
First year return is 0.65%
In this deal the ROI actually increases every year. 1st = 0.65% 2nd = 5.41% total average over 30 years = 9.82%

Now I will show how the ROI decreases every year. The first property was a dog because you don't get rich from rental income.

I did calculations for the same house with several different down payments. My business model is to double my investment capital every year, or earn 50% to 100% on my investment capital every year. Of course, these numbers do not include many factors. Some factors are in your favor i.e. credit for interest payments, depreciation, or whatever and some factors are not in your favor i.e. your cost to sell the property. So, maybe the good and the bad are 'a wash'.

Purchase the same property for a discounted price of only $20,000. I like $40,000 better, but I will go low for the purpose to show the numbers.



Purchase an average property for $140,000
The value at the close of escrow is $140,000
Down payment $40,000
Costs $3,000 and total down payment is $43,000
Cash flow is $338 per month
First year return is 50.69%
In this deal the ROI actually decreases every year. 1st = 50.69% 2nd = 30.41% total average over 30 years = 11.49%

Now, if we increase the rents every year, the average ROI for the first property over 30 years is 11.56%

The average for the 2nd property over 30 years is 13.23%

The problem is; we don't live in an ideal world. Investors who think they are going to purchase just any property with a $100 to $200 positive cash flow are in for a big surprise after a few years. I purchase every single-family property with cash and no financing. You would think that I am making bank, but for me average home, with no financing, in Idaho and Las Vegas, I net $4,000 to $5,000 per year. Don't forget. NO FINANCING! In January of this year, I drove from Los Angeles to Idaho to clean a 20-year old home. I did only the normal things that every homeowner has to do to every home. This was a 4-bedroom e bath home. I had to replace 3 20-year old bathroom sink bowls, put in imitation granite kitchen counter tops, new stove and dishwasher, new doors and drawers on the kitchen cabinets, paint the ceilings and walls, plastered and painted the garage, repaired fences, cut and trim three huge trees, go to the dump with a large trailer 3 times, paint portions of the outside the house, cut and repair a cracked concrete sidewalk, replace screens, level the yard. repair a lot of plumbing and the list goes on and on. 

I gave this house to my son about 6 years ago. So, after spending 13 days working on the house from 5 am to midnight every day my son sold the house. My cost for the repairs was $18,000 not including any labor. I gave my son a very legitimate bill to be paid through escrow for $34,000 when adding the labor.

So, take your $100 to $200 per month, add your costs for financing and tell me how many single family homes it will take while earning $100 to $200 per month to break even to pay for this one house.

I purchased 10 homes in Boise and Meridian Idaho about 14 years ago and figured that if the property values increased only 5% per year I would be living on Easy Street. I did the math before I purchased the homes and never did it again. I paid an average of $130,000 for each home and each home increased in value by about $100,000, but don't forget that I paid cash. Had I financed the properties I think I would have earned an average ROI of less than 5%.

I think the investment advice on BP is one-sided. I love the real estate business, but I don't think people should be taught with such motivation that they think they can walk on water. I would like to see a balance with success and horror stories for the sake of teaching investors to calculate their risks and to be aware of the pitfalls. I am not embarrassed to say that I lost $1 million two times. Once, investing as a limited partner in a syndicated property for two K-Mart shopping centers and the 2nd time was in the stock market. Those two losses hurt and sent me 10 years backwards. But, it made me stronger to the point I ponder over every purchase I make. I look at hundreds of properties before making a purchase. I crunch the numbers 10 to many times over and over. I never make decisions bases on a broker's or another person's advice. It is not their money that is being risked and it is too easy for someone else to tell you to pull the trigger.



Purchase an average property for $120,000
The value at the close of escrow is $140,000
Down payment and all closing costs $3,000 and your equity is already negative $3,000
Cash flow is $338 per month
First year return is 0.65%
In this deal the ROI actually increases every year. 1st = 0.65% 2nd = 5.41% total average over 30 years = 9.82%



Post: What is the minimum cashflow you would accept for a rental?

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After deducting all your expenses do you calculate future cash flow with rent increases and do you calculate your ROI for every year based on rent increases and gross annual income to see when the ROI diminishes to a small amount where you need to make a choice whether or not to keep the property, or ratchet up your profits by selling and buying something with better greater ROI. It is not the best business model to buy, let the tenant pay down the mortgage and try to retire from rental income, alone.

Post: What is the minimum cashflow you would accept for a rental?

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I want to show you how I analyze and do the calculations for investing, but I am waiting for BP to come around and allow me to post my youtube videos and give away free software that does everything for real estate investing, but at this time I am not willing to pay $340 + pay to advertise to give information away. I did contact datazapp.com a vendor where you can get email addresses and phone numbers for  cents each and the company is looking into giving me $300 in credit to pay half my BP costs. Then, I will pay the other $300, or maybe I can find another company to pay the other half. As much as I would like to help I've had problems with forums before where my posts were removed and I was banned for giving too much away for free while other vendors are trying to sell services. I fully understand and try to comply.

Post: What is the minimum cashflow you would accept for a rental?

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If you would like to, post all the numbers for the two properties you purchased and I will put the numbers in my number cruncher. Then, there are a few factors only you know because I don't know what the market is like in your area.

What did you like better about the two properties compared to others you looked at?
Total purchase price with all closing costs.
Re-sale value if you re-sold it the day escrow closed.
Property taxes, insurance, mortgage, trash, sewer fees, gardening and all other costs.
Rehab or repair costs when escrow closes.
Year built
How many years does the roof have left?
Percent you put aside for unexpected costs for sewer outside the house, plumbing, painting inside and out
Fence repairs and expected cost to remove or trim large trees.
HOA fee
Expected cost to sell the property
Management fees.
How long do you expect to keep the property
Monthly rental income when escrow is closed
How much can you raise rent the day escrow closes.
How much can you raise the rent every year.

I'm going to sound like a broken record because I say the same thing one or two times every day.

Put away all the rule-of-thumb analysis and write down this business model.

Good Investor's Creed

"I will only invest in a property when I have calculated and analyzed the investment so that I am 100% positive the money invested in the property will give me a 50% to 100% return on my money in 1 to 2 years. I will listen to the advice given to me by my broker and friends, but I will never make a decision based on their advice. I will always calculate my risks to reward.  I will not allow anxiety to cause me make rushed decisions. I would rather keep my money in my pocket and wait until I find the deal I am 100% positive about rather than take even the smallest risk."

Obviously, I just made that up.

How do you make 50% to 100% on your money every year. You keep your money in your pocket until you find a property that will return to you, in 1 to 2 years, 50% to 100% of the down payment. So, if you put $40,000 down on a property you want to earn $40,000, preferably the day you close escrow because the property is already worth $40,000 more that you paid, or you want to earn $40,000 in profit within 1 to 2 years through appreciation plus cash flow (but, for single family properties I don't include appreciation in my analysis). You look at hundreds of properties and crunch the numbers 100 times on each property. Purchase at auctions, from wholesalers, make hundreds of low offers, go to real estate clubs, etc.

Post: Bad landlord from my past has me reconsidering RE investing

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Don't pay the $200. The real estate company probably sold the debt to a collection agency that offered the real estate company a percent of the booty. If they report you to a credit reporting agency send a letter to the reporting agency and contest it. The collection agency may respond the first time, but when you contest it a 2nd time the collection agency most-likely will not respond and it will be removed. I would not worry about it. Probably, a secretary at the real estate company is trying to make some side cash.

Post: Thoughts on this deal?

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I am always ready to purchase multi-units. Put me on your list.

Please post more information. How many units? Is it an A, B, or C grade. What are the current rents? How much can the rents be increased? What type of deferred maintenance. How many units are currently occupied? How much deposit money is their for each unit. When were the last units rented or leased? Will the buyer be able to negotiate the price, or our you going to tie up the property with a contract. What is your fee?