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All Forum Posts by: Isaac White

Isaac White has started 5 posts and replied 17 times.

Post: Month to month lease

Isaac White
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Quote from @Jon A.:

I only offer month to month leases in my rentals. I don't have many but have been a landlord for about 15 years. Where I live, in NC, there is absolutley no benefit to the landlord having a lease any longer. You are not locking them in, they are locking you in. 


This is exactly what I heard from a local landlord in my area, which is what triggered me writing this post.

Do you have any examples or real life experiences that you could reference where a month to month lease would be beneficial? 

Post: Month to month lease

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Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:

@Isaac White Dane county is to my knowledge the strictest in Wisconsin and has some special stipulations around protected classes and other things you need to know!

Here is a link to the municipal oridnances: https://library.municode.com/w...

More important than the length of lease is the actual form; a lot of leases I see have language in them that makes them unenforceable, because they violate state law. We use the lease forms and contracts from Wisconsin Legal Blank, they are inexpensive and you can order online. Make sure you get at least the small landlord package which includes other forms you have to sign like a lead addendum (mandatory, state law)

When you sign a lease, make sure it is for is for 365 days and not 366 days (like May 1st to May 1st) which makes it a more than 1 year lease and now you have a lot of additional protections for the tenant, for example you are prohibited to use a 5 day notice, you have to use a 30 day. Easy mistake to make.

I get what you are trying to do with the mtm, but once you have a bad tenant in the damage is already done. A well written lease allows you to enforce rule violations. I would focus more on your screening process than - take a look at Mike Butler's Landlording on Autopilot. Great book. 


 You make some great points and I appreciate the resources you've referenced. I've come to the conclusion after reading all these great responses that I should focus my energy on getting a well written enforceable lease and do my due diligence on the screening process, rather than try to cover myself with a month to month lease.

Post: Month to month lease

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Quote from @Steven Goldman:

Good Morning: First, Drew is suggesting that there may be no difference under the law where the property is located between a month to month or annual lease. Second, if you decide to refinance you will need a annual lease. Most banks and hard money lenders will not refinance your property if it is subject to a month to month.

Finally, turnover equals cost to repair so I would seek a long term tenant. Good luck and keep moving forward.


 I have a lot of built-up equity in this property and will need to refinance at some point. Thank you for pointing this out!

Post: Month to month lease

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I have finished the rehab on one of the units in the duplex I own and I’m getting ready to rent it out. I started thinking about how I wanted to structure my lease agreement with my tenants. 

Option 1: lock the tenant into a year lease

Option 2: month to month lease 

My first instinct was to go the typical route and do a year long lease. After thinking about the two options a little more I believe the month to month option would benefit me more.

Here’s my thought process:

- This property is my first experience being a landlord, so I don’t have experience screening and choosing tenants. A month to month lease allows me the option of not renewing the lease if the tenant decides not to pay rent, trash the place, etc. without having to go through a long eviction process.

- Flexibility to adjust rents with market conditions more frequently. 

- Once I find a quality tenant on month to month lease terms, discuss the possibility of signing an annual lease agreement.

Let me know any thoughts you have on my plan or advice about structuring lease agreements. 

Post: I live in Italy. Can I approach the U.S. marketplace?

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Giuseppe Cicorella is an Italian real estate investor. I would connect with him since he would probably know your situation better. I've listened to him on the clubhouse app, but I think he has youtube and a website. Seems to be small enough were he would be willing to help

Post: $18k for waterproofing or sell property

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What was the 18k bid including? Ive been in similar spot with leaky basement but was able to dry it out with proper gutter and downspout installation as well as grading/landscaping.

Post: Lending Question - Regarding Income History

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Quote from @Luis Somoza:
Quote from @Isaac White:

I'm hoping to use an FHA or owner occupied loan to purchase my next property.

One of the main problems I've had with getting bank financing is my job history. In this case I worked a W-2 for a 1 year and 3 months, I quit and took a higher paying job in the property management field. I worked that job for 2 months until end of August 2022, and made that transition from the first to second job with no gap. I then went to a different property manager for another two months until end of October 2022. I quit the third job and was unemployed for about a month and a half. I now went back and work part-time for the first property manager that I worked for until the end of August.

My question is; would I be able to go full-time at the job I am at now. Knowing that banks usually only ask for the first and most current paystubs to verify that you have been working the same job consistently. Give them my first paystub from the first property management job, and then give them my most current paystubs which is at the same place. Making it look like I have been working the same full-time job for last 7 months. Bringing my job history to almost two years with no gaps. 

Just wondering if anyone has any insight on how hard they verify job history. Or if it goes to underwriting and they will be able to see that I have a job gap followed by part-time income?

I appreciate any all advice, and for taking the time to read this.


So you need to understand what the 2 year work history is first. That's two years of actual work without gaps. So if it's over 3 years, that's what it is. If you were a student then started working, the time as a student counts.

Now, you cannot make things appear to be something they aren't. That's the definition of fraud, in this case it's fraud for property. The lender will request what's called a verification of employment and all the employment dates will come out and you'll end up having to explain everything in writing and the correct employment history put in, and then the underwriting decision would be made; however, I would say that an underwriter would be alarmed by that, let alone delaying the mortgage approval and upsetting everyone because of it.

Rather than trying to make things appear to be one thing they aren't, be honest with your lender so they can give you the right advice and protect your financial interests. You could stand to lose your earnest money deposit, etc, for trying to do something like that and the seller finds out, let alone possibly end up in legal trouble as Jay Hurst mentioned.

If you're now employed full time at your current employer, and have not had a gap of more than 6 months before starting this job, you technically appear to meet FHA requirements for stable employment, provided what you're saying is accurate. Of course there is more to qualifying for a mortgage than that, but I would talk to a savvy mortgage broker and go from there.


 Thank you, that more or less answers what I was wondering. I was unsure of how in depth the verification of employment was, and if lenders can actually verify dates of employment.

Post: Lending Question - Regarding Income History

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Quote from @Stephen Rinaldi:

Im not 100% sure of the question...fulltime income can be used immediately. I dont see any other big issue here.. gaps arent the end of the world FHA


Thanks. I didn't know FHA looked at job gaps differently from conventional. Which is why I was thinking of ways to "stretch" my job history.

Post: Lending Question - Regarding Income History

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Quote from @Jay Hurst:

Do not commit fraud. Lying on a mortgage application is fraud. 

Thank you for the response! That wasn't my question though. 

Post: Lending Question - Regarding Income History

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I'm hoping to use an FHA or owner occupied loan to purchase my next property.

One of the main problems I've had with getting bank financing is my job history. In this case I worked a W-2 for a 1 year and 3 months, I quit and took a higher paying job in the property management field. I worked that job for 2 months until end of August 2022, and made that transition from the first to second job with no gap. I then went to a different property manager for another two months until end of October 2022. I quit the third job and was unemployed for about a month and a half. I now went back and work part-time for the first property manager that I worked for until the end of August.

My question is; would I be able to go full-time at the job I am at now. Knowing that banks usually only ask for the first and most current paystubs to verify that you have been working the same job consistently. Give them my first paystub from the first property management job, and then give them my most current paystubs which is at the same place. Making it look like I have been working the same full-time job for last 7 months. Bringing my job history to almost two years with no gaps. 

Just wondering if anyone has any insight on how hard they verify job history. Or if it goes to underwriting and they will be able to see that I have a job gap followed by part-time income?

I appreciate any all advice, and for taking the time to read this.