Skip to content
×
PRO
Pro Members Get Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
$0
TODAY
$69.00/month when billed monthly.
$32.50/month when billed annually.
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here
Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties. Try BiggerPockets PRO.
x
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Irene Low

Irene Low has started 3 posts and replied 19 times.

Post: Not finding good deals on duplexes- should I buy anyway?

Irene LowPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Killeen, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Lucas Thomas:

Have you tried a Triplex or 4-Plex? 

I found this one that might cashflow. 

https://www.redfin.com/TX/Killeen/3405-Victoria-Cir-76543/ho...

Usually if you can't make a duplex work, you can make a triplex or 4plex work. 

When your searching for property, use the county so you get some of the suburbs included in the search. I prefer Redfin as its the most professional grade property search from my experience as a Landlord Real Estate Agent.


 I've been trying to figure out if there's a better way to search on RedFin than just doing city after city so this is helpful- thanks! I'm being a little pickier with the properties because I'm going to live in it and being in a safe area is important to me, but that one isn't too bad. I'll look into it. 

Post: Not finding good deals on duplexes- should I buy anyway?

Irene LowPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Killeen, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Jason Allen:
Quote from @Irene Low:

I'm shopping the market for my first duplex to house-hack, it's my first time buying a property, period. I plan to use a FHA loan and put down somewhere from 6-8%. I'm finding it very difficult to find deals that will produce any positive income after I move out and both sides are rented out. The best deals I can find barely break even with the mortgage. I'm almost to the point where I'm feeling a little desperate and I'm debating if I should just buy a property anyway, simply betting on the fact that the property will appreciate over time when sold in several years, and not focus so much on the monthly cash flow I could receive if I found a good deal.

I'd like to hear your thoughts- Someone tell me why this is or isn't a valid way to evaluate/think about my first purchase.

My ultimate goal with real estate investing: buy more properties after this and achieve financial freedom.

My ultimate goal with my first purchase: get my foot in the door, make a little bit of money (I'd be ok with not making money, as long as I'm not losing money), see if I want to continue real estate investing, decide if this is the strategy I want to focus on (vs. BRRR, Airbnb, etc)


Have you considered investing out of state? Here in Columbus, Ohio we come by deals everyday that cash flow for the start. It sounds like you're not finding the right deals. Ideally, you'd find pocket listings or off-market deals to ensure that you're getting a good deal off the bat. Many of these deals meet or beat the 1% rule. They also offer the opportunity to utilize the BRRR strategy to maximize gains.


 Out-of-state investing is not in the picture at the current moment as I plan to live in the property and would like to stay in this area for job/family. 

Post: Not finding good deals on duplexes- should I buy anyway?

Irene LowPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Killeen, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Bonnie Low:

This is a difficult question to answer because it's so specific to your goals and risk tolerance. Generally, I'm not a fan of buying a deal that a) doesn't make sense today and b) doesn't have a viable exit strategy. However, you have a variable that makes it less cut and dried, which is that you're purchasing it to fulfill your own housing needs. Presumably you need to live somewhere. You don't necessarily have to cash flow if you're receiving the benefit of free or a significant offset to your housing costs along with all the other benefits of owning real estate (tax deductions, mortgage paydown, etc.) It's very difficult to make anything cash flow putting so little down. If you have the $ you could consider putting more down, but most first time buyers don't have that option. If you're ok coming out of pocket X amount each month (you determine what that is), if you feel like you're going to own an asset that will appreciate enough during your holding period or you're willing to hold it for the long term, and if you want to get started in real estate with a relatively low risk strategy (house hacking) then I'd say go for it. But only you can fill in those numbers for yourself. One thing to keep in mind is that TX is one of the states with significant property tax increases pretty regularly. You can talk to someone in the Tax Collector or Assessor's office to find out what's in store for 2024, but you'll want to factor a certain % increase in your PITI each year given the tax environment there. If not, you could find yourself even more under water if rent increases don't keep up with insurance and property tax increases. Good luck to you!

Good point about the property tax increases. Thanks, Bonnie!

Post: Not finding good deals on duplexes- should I buy anyway?

Irene LowPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Killeen, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Christie Gahan:
Quote from @Irene Low:

I'm shopping the market for my first duplex to house-hack, it's my first time buying a property, period. I plan to use a FHA loan and put down somewhere from 6-8%. I'm finding it very difficult to find deals that will produce any positive income after I move out and both sides are rented out. The best deals I can find barely break even with the mortgage. I'm almost to the point where I'm feeling a little desperate and I'm debating if I should just buy a property anyway, simply betting on the fact that the property will appreciate over time when sold in several years, and not focus so much on the monthly cash flow I could receive if I found a good deal.

I'd like to hear your thoughts- Someone tell me why this is or isn't a valid way to evaluate/think about my first purchase.

My ultimate goal with real estate investing: buy more properties after this and achieve financial freedom.

My ultimate goal with my first purchase: get my foot in the door, make a little bit of money (I'd be ok with not making money, as long as I'm not losing money), see if I want to continue real estate investing, decide if this is the strategy I want to focus on (vs. BRRR, Airbnb, etc)

Make an apt with an accountant.  You need to know how the purchase will affect your personal taxes and deductions.  Create a budget, now, before you buy.  What would living with that budget be like?  Miserable?  Easy?  If / when you do get something, I encourage you to get a second job, sell stuff, what ever to create a minimum buffer of a one month mortgage payment in cash.  Good Luck.


 I appreciate your input, Christie!

Post: Not finding good deals on duplexes- should I buy anyway?

Irene LowPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Killeen, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Melissa Nash:

where are you looking? You might have to give up your own back yard and invest where it makes sense. 


I'm looking in central TX, specifically Killeen/Temple area. Due to my job and a recent parent death, I prefer to stay in the area for family if I'm going to be using a FHA loan and living in it for a year.

Post: Not finding good deals on duplexes- should I buy anyway?

Irene LowPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Killeen, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Julien Jeannot:
Quote from @Irene Low:
Quote from @Julien Jeannot:

@Irene Low

Difficult to make anything cash flow with 6%-8% down, especially with current interest rates.

Instead, look at it from a long term perspective: 3 to 5 years out. Play out a conservative appreciation, principal pay day and year over year rent increases.

You'll see significant net worth growth and the asset more likely to cash flow after you move out.

Thanks, Julien! I’m going to review historical appreciation in the area. 

 Check this website out to get a sense of appreciation: https://map.reventure.app/dashboard


 This is a neat resource- thank you for sharing!

Post: Not finding good deals on duplexes- should I buy anyway?

Irene LowPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Killeen, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Craig Janet:

Are you saying that you will break even if you live in one unit and rent the other. That sounds like a pretty good deal.

 No, definitely not. I’m saying a lot of the deals will barely break even with both sides leased out, and that’s not even with reserves added to the expense. 

Post: Not finding good deals on duplexes- should I buy anyway?

Irene LowPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Killeen, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Justin Hammerle:

@Irene Low - If you are renting now, you will have equity accumulation by owning even if values stay the same and don't increase.  You always have the option of refinancing if and when rates go down.  If you are looking to build a portfolio and the property cashflows when fully rented you have a chance of holding and moving to another down the road.

In appreciate your input, Justin!

Post: Not finding good deals on duplexes- should I buy anyway?

Irene LowPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Killeen, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Mike Scaccia:

@Irene Low 

Congrats on beginning your journey in real estate, and no better way than with a house hack of a multi family property!

With elevated home prices, and interest rates positive cash flow is hard to come by BUT not impossible. 

Let me paint a picture of what i did for my own property. We utilized a conventional loan at 5% down to avoid the FHA self sufficiency test, purchased a 4 unit property. We opted to negotiate a max seller concession and big over asking price to the seller the same amount. We used those funds to complete a 2-1 temporary buydown. In year one our interest rate is under 5%.. which allowed us to actually cash flow quite a bit on the property! Now, the rate will go up after years 1, and 2.. but by then what you bank on is that rates will be in a better position, you refi, permanently reduce the rate, you have principal paydown by your tenants, and with average appreciation conservatively at 4% annually, it always makes sense to purchase a property if the payment makes sense for you, and you can afford to do so..

Once rates drop, there will be much greater demand and therefore greater competition which will inevitably drive prices higher. Imagine missing out on that appreciation... People who owned during the pandemic saw their equity fly through the roof. We're gearing up to see more of the same! If you have any questions or would like to connect further, feel free to shoot me a message! Best of luck and go get em!

Hey, Mike! Thanks for your insight. Can you tell me more about that FHA self sufficiency test? I have not heard of that. As well as the 2-1 temporary buydown- what is that? 

Post: Not finding good deals on duplexes- should I buy anyway?

Irene LowPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Killeen, TX
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Cydney Gray:
Quote from @Irene Low:
Quote from @Cydney Gray:

Hi Irene! I think units are the easiest way to house hack! In the middle of November a new loan program came out from Fannie Mae that requires only 5% down on 2-4 units. Make sure to compare the fees, payment and rates between FHA and Fannie Mae.

As Theresa Harris said, it is very difficult to have a property cash flow with only a small down payment. This makes looking at historical data on appreciation very important. 

Do some research on what the predicted appreciation is for 2024 and beyond in the areas you're looking. This could help you decided on exactly what are you think could be best to buy in. Also research where rents are the highest and if there are any multi unit properties available in those areas. 

Try to estimate how long you will live in the property. Generally speaking, the longer you live In it the easier it will be to have it cash flow when you move out. 

Sometimes the riches in real estate happen quickly but most of the time it is a longer haul to get to having both equity and cash flow. If you are willing to invest the money AND the time, I'm sure you'll reach your financial goals!

Thanks, Cydney! My lender did inform me of the Fannie Mae loan and compared it to the FHA. I plan to live in it for a year max. I’m looking in the area of my hometown, a suburb an hour away from Austin, TX. Do you have any good resources to look at historical data of appreciation? 

Hi Irene! Your Realtor should be able to pull historical averages for the specific areas that you are interested in. The data is available through MLS listings looking at historical closed transactions. You can always snoop around on some of the well known real estate websites to look at historical data on each property you're interested in as well.

I appreciate your feedback, Cydney! I’m definitely going to look into this.