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All Forum Posts by: Hyeseong Park

Hyeseong Park has started 19 posts and replied 58 times.

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:

Hello, 

I recently bought a distressed property at the end of June (6/27/23) for flipping as my cash only and I just finished rehabbing it using my cash only and put it on the MLS market currently. But it seems like selling has not been going well. (It's been 14 days).

So I was thinking of a plan B if things don't go well, which is refinancing and I would like to know if I can get any good loan option for refinancing as my house has been owned only 4 months so far. No tenants now but I'm planning on renting it, once I will get refinancing. What loan is the best option for me? As I bought & rehabbed it as my CASH only, I would like to know if there is any good loan for going off new appraisal value, not purchase price + rehab, without any seasoning condition better than people who have mortgages on their investment properties.


 Can we put some numbers on it? It will make the examples a bit easier. If so, what price did you pay for the property?  And what do you think it is worth today? assume single family? 

 Yes of course,

My scenario is as follows:

-Purchase Price: $59,000 (but I flipped this house after buying it so now it can be worth between 150~160k based on my realtor) . It is in PA.

-Rehab price: $25,000

-Market Rent: $1,300
-Property Taxes: $1,324
-Annual Insurance premium: $1,200
-HOA fees: N/A
-Number of units: 1 single family house
-Estimated Credit Score: 690-700


 ok, so you have a few options:

1. delayed financing will let you use the new improved value but only allow you to take out what you paid for the property plus closing costs or 75% loan to value which ever is lower. This is often fine because the spread is not usually as big as yours but this would limit you to 59k plus costs here.

2. A double close.  The 12 month conventional seasoning is for cash out only, NOT rate/term. so what we do is give you a cash out loan at 75% in the form of a short term bridge loan out of our own pocket, our money our rules. We then turn around and refi you using the same appraisal and these are no issues because it is a rate/term refi. Gets your cash out and your long term financing with NO pre-payment penalty in place. 

3. A DCSR option with 6 months seasoning. The down side here is that you will almost assuredly have a pre-payment penalty. This can be VERY expensive when the bond market is signaling that we are possibly at the high point of rates. So, if they do come down in a few years the fact that it will be costly to refi is a serious factor to consider.   


Okay thanks. What do you think of HEL or HELOC for this case? Do HEL or HELOC only work for primary residence? Or it can be working like my case too?

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Steve Vaughan:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:
Quote from @Steve Vaughan:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:

Yes, as far as I know your loan can be ready to go, just needs to close/ fund the day after the minimum seasoning requirement.

My data may be outdated.   Maybe @Chris Mason has a sec to verify.


 Okay thanks. Will contact him!

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Steve Vaughan:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:

You've done extremely well.   I know it's painful,  but if you can sit tight for it to season it will save you soo much money and pain refinancing again later. 

Put a great renter in there and wait.  I think you will regret a quick sale.  Taxes are brutal and you will lose an important block in your wealth building foundation.  


Yeah just 2 months to wait to be seasoned to make it 6months I think. Thanks for the great advice. I might go with this way too. Is it normally possible to file everything for refinancing and give it to a lender before the 6 months while waiting to be seasoned and the lender can close the loan at the date of 6month? Just trying to save my time for filing. 

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Joe Davis:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:
Quote from @Joe Davis:

On DSCR you will see a rate increase or "penalty" if the property hasn't been seasoned for at least 90 days. Some lenders even require more.

Also - on a DSCR, you will need to have a tenant in place.

I don't believe you're going to find someone who will cash-out refinance you to LTV on whatever the AMC comes back at. Most will do the PP + Repair that you sunk into it, although looks like you have a pretty healthy spread so won't be capped by LTV.

If you are not desperate for the cash right this second, lease it out - wait until it's seasoned and than you will get better rates and cash out of it. 

The property has been seasoned for 120 days so I think that will be fine. But, to get DSCR, I must have tenants while processing the loan? or is that depending on lenders?


 Yes, generally you will want to have the tenants in place. On occasion, the lender can go off market rents. but expect a little conservatism. But again, seems like your property has plenty of spread and will easily conform to the debt service coverage ratio at $1,300/Month. 

Okay and also what I'm curious is that I know I need to get a tenant anyway to cover the debt every month, but was wondering if I need to have a tenant until we close the loan... Thanks.

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Joe Davis:

On DSCR you will see a rate increase or "penalty" if the property hasn't been seasoned for at least 90 days. Some lenders even require more.

Also - on a DSCR, you will need to have a tenant in place.

I don't believe you're going to find someone who will cash-out refinance you to LTV on whatever the AMC comes back at. Most will do the PP + Repair that you sunk into it, although looks like you have a pretty healthy spread so won't be capped by LTV.

If you are not desperate for the cash right this second, lease it out - wait until it's seasoned and than you will get better rates and cash out of it. 

The property has been seasoned for 120 days so I think that will be fine. But, to get DSCR, I must have tenants while processing the loan? or is that depending on lenders?

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Zachary Ware:

Hi Hyeseong, 

I would look at some DSCR lenders. There are some that work with the BRRRR strategy and can do cash outs between 3-6 months while basing leverage off the new appraised value. You will typically need a good credit score and there will be LTV restrictions.


 Thanks. May I know if you are also a lender for this case? Just want to know if you have dealt with a case like this. 

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Hyeseong Park:

Hello, 

I recently bought a distressed property at the end of June (6/27/23) for flipping as my cash only and I just finished rehabbing it using my cash only and put it on the MLS market currently. But it seems like selling has not been going well. (It's been 14 days).

So I was thinking of a plan B if things don't go well, which is refinancing and I would like to know if I can get any good loan option for refinancing as my house has been owned only 4 months so far. No tenants now but I'm planning on renting it, once I will get refinancing. What loan is the best option for me? As I bought & rehabbed it as my CASH only, I would like to know if there is any good loan for going off new appraisal value, not purchase price + rehab, without any seasoning condition better than people who have mortgages on their investment properties.


 Can we put some numbers on it? It will make the examples a bit easier. If so, what price did you pay for the property?  And what do you think it is worth today? assume single family? 

 Yes of course,

My scenario is as follows:

-Purchase Price: $59,000 (but I flipped this house after buying it so now it can be worth between 150~160k based on my realtor) . It is in PA.

-Rehab price: $25,000

-Market Rent: $1,300
-Property Taxes: $1,324
-Annual Insurance premium: $1,200
-HOA fees: N/A
-Number of units: 1 single family house
-Estimated Credit Score: 690-700

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Hyeseong ParkPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 15

Hello, 

I recently bought a distressed property at the end of June (6/27/23) for flipping as my cash only and I just finished rehabbing it using my cash only and put it on the MLS market currently. But it seems like selling has not been going well. (It's been 14 days).

So I was thinking of a plan B if things don't go well, which is refinancing and I would like to know if I can get any good loan option for refinancing as my house has been owned only 4 months so far. No tenants now but I'm planning on renting it, once I will get refinancing. What loan is the best option for me? As I bought & rehabbed it as my CASH only, I would like to know if there is any good loan for going off new appraisal value, not purchase price + rehab, without any seasoning condition better than people who have mortgages on their investment properties.