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All Forum Posts by: Christian Hutchinson

Christian Hutchinson has started 45 posts and replied 346 times.

Post: Ethical Leasing

Christian HutchinsonPosted
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  • Detroit, MI
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I am in Michigan.  I have a Condo, I have found a great niche it appears.  I am near some new construction developments.  I was having challenges getting the the amount of money I wanted to generate the return I desired doing traditional leases.

Because of these new developments it appears there is a Healthy short-term rental market. People are willing to pay 3-6 months upfront while their home finishes being built, but they sold their previous home.  They then can renew for 3 months, or go on a month to month(at a higher rate than prepaying for 3 months).  I checked my local laws, in terms of landlord tenant, and didn't see anything illegal.

Is this good practice and is it ethical?

Post: Detroit

Christian HutchinsonPosted
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Originally posted by @Corey McCue:

I'm very new to this and have only recently started researching real estate investment, so please excuse my ignorance (as this post will probably be riddled with it). My childhood best friend and I are in the process of research so that we can go in on a rental property together (him and I both have a little bit of capital to pool together), and as we're searching for a good place for our first property (we're currently leaning towards Houston area), I was wondering if Detroit is worth touching with a 10 foot pole? Thing is that him and I only have about 30-30K in which to invest and we're both college students, so we don't have a steady income with which to take out a conventional bank loan. Just looking for some insight on how to stretch our capital as far as possible. Him and I are anxious to get our feet wet, but obviously want to avoid making any major mistakes. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

With $30K you can't buy anything in Detroit that isn't high risk, or its in an area where the tenant pool is low quality.

Appraisals are an issue in the city, very low chance you can finance anything.  If you had $70K you could pay cash for something that will generate for you pretty good, meaning double digit returns.

I would not invest in Detroit as a first-timer, or doing it remotely.  Its an hands-on market.

IF you were to do it, check the area between Mexicantown and Corktown. You could score a duplex to quad thats 2000-4000 sq ft, and hope Corktown and Mexicantown keep getting people so your investment appreciates from spillover tenants.

But expect some elbow grease to get it livable, and try to have it ready to rent in June and July.  You can snag Medical/Dental/Law/Pharmacy Students, or some of the new Fellows through various foundations who trying to score a cheap place, $400-$600, in the City(requirement to their employment) but don't have the money to live in Downtown, Midtown, Lafayette Park where one bedrooms start at $1000/month, two bedrooms start at $1300.

Check areas off/on of West Grand Blvd, but south of Michigan Ave.

Also,

Right now The North End is in play, thats the area off of Woodward but south of Highland Park. The closer to Woodward you are the better.  I had one set of tenants move out of my place in Midtown where they payed $1500/month to move to that area for an unit that runs $750 this month. I was surprised they would move there but, ran through that neighborhood about six months ago and several homes(8+) were being completely gutted.  I have a quad in that area, but we are 4 blocks off Woodward, so tenant type changing is probably 2-3 years away, or the when the Light Rail Project completes.

If you invest in Detroit.  Walk the neighborhood.  Come back in a week and walk it again.  Walk it at 6 AM-7 AM and 8 PM-9 PM.  Invest in Motion Sensor Lights, and if possible a six foot fence. Glass Block Window anything less than 5 feet from the ground.

I say all this, and I make pretty good money on my Detroit Units. Good Luck.

Post: How to find a good multifamily

Christian HutchinsonPosted
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  • Detroit, MI
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Originally posted by @Neda Navidnia:

@Christian Hutchinson He is looking for the cash flow and since he has a good experience in rehabbing, he can estimate any required repair cost or maintenance by just looking at the property. So I don't have any problem with that part.

My point is having numbers before showing him the property, as I have said earlier his desired cap is 7+. I want to know what questions should I ask the seller. I can ask other managers in that area about the rent and vacancy rate, etc.

He has set up a great system for his Property Management company, now he is using that for his single families and I believe it will work great for the multifamily as well. It includes advertisement, tenant portal, maintenance team, complete screening and background check. So I believe he has the ability to have bigger amount of cash flow in future. But right now I want a complex that has a great cash flow so that it can pay for its improvement and upgrading.

(Sorry if my English is not that good).

 Try to find out is there any deferred maintenance.  Also, track if the rents are going up or going down, and how the units track with the area Market in general.

Post: Pittsburgh: Young New Dude Looking for Real Estate

Christian HutchinsonPosted
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I'm not in the Pittsburgh area.  So I'll give you some basics of where to search in any city, especially the "Rust Belt"(I'm a Detroiter), I have 11 Units throughout Detroit and the Suburbs. My wife and I are 31 and we have FT jobs, this is just a side business(a lucrative one however).

University Districts, So score a Duplex/Home with income suite in University Areas. Meaning Campus Police Patrol there.

Go to a place where the young kiddies move to when they first get out of college(near the bars, clubs, boutique shops).  

Remember in this situation, They are paying your mortgage, and they are subsidizing your equity position.  Plus you save money every month because you have reduced living expenses, or even positive cash flow at the end of the month.

This is a "get rich slowly" business.  You need to mindset, I am going to have $400-$700/month in my pocket. You will live in the house for 3-5 years, get married/buy another home, and you get to rent out both units. Remember your home is a performing asset/profit center.  If you need $400 to fix the plumbing, or $400 to go to Boston for a Steelers VS Pats game, invest in the plumbing.  You have a $100K+ asset thats appreciating, provides living quarters, cash, tax advantages, etc.

The asset comes first. Also, INSURE INSURE INSURE don't be cheap. Lastly Credit/Background Check everyone, even your best friend's cousin, it cost $30, charge a $50 Application Fee. It attracts a certain level of tenant, your tenants are a revenue stream, not a person. If they someone doesn't gross 2 times the monthly rent(if utilities are included), or 3 times the monthly rent(if they pay their own) DO NOT RENT TO THEM.  They can't afford it.

Make sure you spell out building rules, where people can smoke cigarettes, drink beer, when are quiet hours, how many people can they have on property before they notify you, how long can a visitor stay before they request permission(I do three nights).  If they have a Boyfriend/Girlfriend who stays over A LOT, and they want to give them a key, the Boyfriend/Girlfriend gets a Credit/Background Check.

Goodluck with everything.  I can't help you with PA Law, but those are some tips of how to run the business on the ground.  It won't find it in a book, but any person in this business will gladly tell you how to handle it.

Post: How to find a good multifamily

Christian HutchinsonPosted
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  • Detroit, MI
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Originally posted by @Neda Navidnia:

Thanks for the great advice, I am going to follow each of them.

I know he has 200-250 down payment, and he receives the automatic updates in his

I don't know if there are any other resources or not but I do Google and look for other investors who may have a good deal for me.

 I have a couple of Multi-Families in Metro Detroit. The first question, which is the biggest is? What is his goal?

Does he want Cash Flow or upside of sale? Is he trying to help out a down on their luck family member/friend, but still pull a good return?

Though they say the the current owner is a great source for the actual market, I have found the owners I bought from either couldn't leverage, or didn't know how to leverage technology to increase their rental price, and renter pool. I have a couple places, where the the previous owners, worked strictly on word of mouth, classified ads in the NEWSPAPER.  They failed to leverage CL, Facebook, Twitter, or Postlets(it posts your property on 30 websites by filling out one form: Zillow, Hotpads, Trulia, etc).  Owners who said they were having trouble finding one person at $500/month I found 4-5 people willing to pay $700/month.  

Any multi-family make sure your roof and HVAC are in top condition, spare no expense. Its worth it. Same goes with Plumbing.  If the plumbing isn't done correctly spend the money to correct, its not worth the hassle. One problem multiples very quickly in a multi-family. I don't use coin operated machines, I charge $50 more a money to have a Washer and Dryer on each unit, its a luxury.  Make it known that there is zero tolerance for non-building residents to use the facilities.

If the Unit provides "additional storage" like say a 3 car garage, or some sort of barn/shed outside of the building, monetize it.

Post: Is it worth at all?

Christian HutchinsonPosted
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Originally posted by @Radek Vytisk:
Originally posted by @Christian Hutchinson:

To calculate the price of my rentals I use the following equation...

((10% x Purchase Price or Acquisition Cost)+ taxes+insurance+HOA+Mortgage Payment) * 110% to 125%

So a property thats $100K paid with cash

((10% x 100000) + $2000 Tax + $900 Insurance) * 115%= $14835/yr in rental revenue/12 months = $1236/month in rent.

If the property doesn't yield $1250/month then why am I buying? Its not generating cash for me? Not saying you can't buy the property, but you can put your money in the stock market in an Index or Mutual Fund and get 7% return doing nothing.  Only engage in the real estate transaction to get the extra 7% a year in earnings, so it is therefore worth time, effort, and risk.

So if for instance your kids are going to college nearby and need housing anyway 4% yield is okay.  I frankly dont buy anything giving me less than 15%, 10% is a non-starter. 20% is a guaranteed purchase unless issues are around with the property(major repairs due in less than 5 years) or the neighborhood itself(major employer leaving)

 Thank you @Christian Hutchinson for your formula, I just want to clarify one thing. Those 115% are representing sort of markup over your cash outflows, is that correct?

Radek

 Thats correct once I calculate my Cash outflows I tack on 10-25%.  Meaning that amount of money is mine, it goes in my pocket.  The 10% of the Acquisition cost represents the opportunity cost of engaging in the transaction.  Like I stated you can get 7% buying an Index fund of the SP500,  So if I spend $100K, $10K a year could be earned in interest doing nothing. SO I have to have a justification for engaging in the transaction.

Post: Analyzing my first deal

Christian HutchinsonPosted
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  • Detroit, MI
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To calculate the price of my rentals I use the following equation...

((10% x Purchase Price or Acquisition Cost)+ taxes+insurance+HOA+Mortgage Payment) * 110% to 125%

So a property thats $100K paid with cash

((10% x 100000) + $2000 Tax + $900 Insurance) * 115%= $14835/yr in rental revenue/12 months = $1236/month in rent.

If the property doesn't yield $1250/month then why am I buying? Its not generating cash for me? Not saying you can't buy the property, but you can put your money in the stock market in an Index or Mutual Fund and get 7% return doing nothing. Only engage in the real estate transaction to get the extra 7% a year in earnings, so it is therefore worth time, effort, and risk.

So if for instance your kids are going to college nearby and need housing anyway 4% yield is okay. I frankly dont buy anything giving me less than 15%, 10% is a non-starter. 20% is a guaranteed purchase unless issues are around with the property(major repairs due in less than 5 years) or the neighborhood itself(major employer leaving).

I did a 30 yr 25% down mortgage on a duplex in a Detroit Suburb in July...This is a pricing metric I put into every deal we evaluate.  FYI we get 600 in one unit, and 750 in the other. So our return is 70% because we get 1350/mo.

Purchase/Acquisition   Price Sell Price Target Property Expense Ratio Association Yearly Fee Taxes Insurance Mortage Mo Expense Yr Expense Base Price Income(Base-Expense) 110% Yr Profit Monthly Rent 115% Yr Profit Monthly Rent 120% Yr Profit Monthly Rent 125% Yr Profit Monthly Rent






















25,275.00 30750.902 home 0.27 0 2819 800 3256 572.88 6,874.60 9,402.10 2,527.50 10,342.31 3,467.71 861.86 10,812.42 3,937.82 901.03 11,282.52 4,407.92 940.21 11,752.63 4,878.03 979.39

Post: 1 property or 2?

Christian HutchinsonPosted
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  • Detroit, MI
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To me to get your feet wet, a great way to start is a simple condo in a nice shopping district.

or

A Duplex in an area with "good" but not "great" schools. The reason is because you will get younger families  one or two kids tops.  They are trying to save to buy a McMansion in the best area, but can't afford to rent a house in that area, and probably don't/can't live in an apartment in those areas.

Post: Is it worth at all?

Christian HutchinsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Detroit, MI
  • Posts 360
  • Votes 354

To calculate the price of my rentals I use the following equation...

((10% x Purchase Price or Acquisition Cost)+ taxes+insurance+HOA+Mortgage Payment) * 110% to 125%

So a property thats $100K paid with cash

((10% x 100000) + $2000 Tax + $900 Insurance) * 115%= $14835/yr in rental revenue/12 months = $1236/month in rent.

If the property doesn't yield $1250/month then why am I buying? Its not generating cash for me? Not saying you can't buy the property, but you can put your money in the stock market in an Index or Mutual Fund and get 7% return doing nothing.  Only engage in the real estate transaction to get the extra 7% a year in earnings, so it is therefore worth time, effort, and risk.

So if for instance your kids are going to college nearby and need housing anyway 4% yield is okay.  I frankly dont buy anything giving me less than 15%, 10% is a non-starter. 20% is a guaranteed purchase unless issues are around with the property(major repairs due in less than 5 years) or the neighborhood itself(major employer leaving)

Post: Investing in Detroit? Best Zip Codes?

Christian HutchinsonPosted
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  • Detroit, MI
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Originally posted by @Scott K.:
Originally posted by @Christian Hutchinson:
Originally posted by @Scott K.:
Originally posted by @Christian Hutchinson:
Originally posted by @Scott K.:
Originally posted by @Chanel Oldham:

Wow, these comments are amazing.  Detroit may not be the best place in america to live or invest but this is coming from someone who actually does LIVE in the city and know several others that do as well.  It's not as bad as you all are making it seem.  

well 2013 was the murder capital of the country AGAIN.  There are very few good neighborhoods in the city.  There are thousands of burnt out properties.  There are still a huge population of poor people.  There are people that think water is a human right and should be free.  There are horrible schools in the city.  Not all kids can go to Cass Tech.

So yes it is bad when the cops take forever to show up.  Yes it is bad when the fire equipment doesn't work properly.  Yes it is bad when there are 70 fires a day.  Yes it is bad when the city makes a huge deal when a over priced grocery store opens up.

Its also a better investment to be in the burbs.  Why would you want to pay higher taxes for a poor city.  Why would you want to pay payroll taxes on your earnings just because you live in a crappy city?  Why would you want to get killed on car insurance that often times are more than the car note.  The properties in the burbs are often times not as old and just in a better area.

I live in Lincoln Park on the border of Allen Park and its a great neighborhood.  I have lived in Warren, Ferndale, Auburn Hills, Madison Heights.  I would live in all those cites way ahead of Detroit. 

 I have lived/owned in Rochester Hills, Roseville, Grosse Pointe Farms, Lake Orion, Sterling Heights, Detroit, Clinton Twp, and Madison Heights.  I've enjoyed my home in Detroit the most, because I actually can see the impact I am having on a whole block or neighborhood.  What we are doing matters, our neighbors are just thrilled someone has fixed a property, and because its livable, decent people want to live there. Versus buying in saying Madison Heights, your neighbors treat you as you are coming to destroy their neighborhood.

Really wow seems like the I got the royal treatment at my Roseville property.  I took the worst property on the block and now it looks awesome.  They watched it like a hawk.  They would offer to help me when I needed helps jacking the garage back into shape.  They cut my grass, they edged my sidewalk and driveway.  Yep they sure were scared I came into the neighborhood.

Look that's great you go be the idealist that's great the world needs those people also.

But to deny that Detroit neighborhoods do not have huge problems is not speaking the truth.  Please don't compare Madison Heights to Detroit.  How many people have been killed in MH?

Madison High is open enrollment.  Yes I am against open enrollment.  Can't blame people for being nervous that when Detroiters start moving in that crime will follow.  And if you look at the facts they are justified in that way of thinking.  Sorry but hey its the truth.

None of my properties have ever had a problem in the burbs

 My Property in Detroit has never had any issues, but I have a rental in Madison Heights the air conditioner was stolen.  Someone broke into my tenants garage in Roseville, my place in SH its hot water heater was damaged because someone attempted to steal and it tore up a bunch of plumbing in the utility room.

Detroit, has its issues on a grand scale but my property has no issues.  If you saw my previous posts in this thread I stated whats the formula for success in a Detroit property.  The formula is different area to area.  Fine, I understand you want to rag on Detroit.  But I have rentals in Clinton Twp, GP Farms, Detroit, Madison Heights, Roseville, Sterling Heights,  and the Detroit Rentals make the most money BY FAR, and they are the least problem in terms of tenants.  Madison Heights, schools are a just as bad as Detroit if you look at the test scores, so Madison Heights is just a working class, starter home community.  If anyone makes any money they move out. My Wife and I moved to Madison Heights in Fall 2009 from "Detroit".  We were the youngest people(25) on our whole block.  Our neighbors had a near heart attack. Fast forward 5 years later we have moved they are still there, and we own the house as a rental.

The neighborhoods you said were nice "Lincoln Park on the border of Allen Park and its a great neighborhood. I have lived in Warren, Ferndale, Auburn Hills, Madison Heights".  Are all places I would never live in at this point of my life because they are not nice areas and I would never want to raise my family there or have my kids go to school there.  But then again I've only lived in Rochester Hills(child-teenager), Lake Orion(young adult), Detroit(college), Grosse Pointe(late 20s-early 30s), and Madison Heights(mid-20).

All good points.  I have no children and none are coming.  So the schools don't mean as much to me.  You love Detroit that's great.  What Street did you live on in MH?

I love the downtown area of Detroit.  I am 47 yrs old.  So I had to grow up with downtown Detroit being a complete dump.  I would love to be young and have a good downtown.

Don't act like I don't know about Detroit.  I have been everywhere in that city.  I have worked in the neighborhoods.  The "feeling" you got from your neighbors is the same "feeling" I got from the people in the neighborhoods.  I have been shot at multiple times.  Almost carjacked atleast 3 times.  Found dead people all this happened in the city you love.  Well there is only so much a man can take.  So yes I do rip on the city.

And yes Madison High School is terrible.  It makes me sick to see what has become of that school.  I went there and got out in 86.  So yes I am very pissed about the way it has gone to hell.

You sound bitter to me.  You took it personal when I said I would not live in 99% of the neighborhoods in Detroit.  Now maybe you can understand where I am coming from.

I have never found dead people in the other cities.  I have never been carjacked in the other cities.  I have never been shot at in the other cities.  I never had that "feeling" in the other cities.

That's alright there are plenty of properties for all of us.  Come to our local meet up this month and I'll buy the first one.  

Wow what are the chances you have been held at gunpoint and found dead bodies in Detroit.  Somehow I've managed to live there on and off for 20 years and never once have seen a dead body, shooting, carjacked, etc.  Neither has my Wife in six years.  I call BS.

You should be advocating for Detroit to improve it will help your property values in your "nice" neighborhood of Lincoln Park/Allen Park(which from where I'm from is a near slum).  This SE Region of Michigan needs growth and growth are driven by core cities.  I rent to 5 people in a triplex in Detroit.  Two are graduates from Ivy League Universities with degrees in Architecture and Civil Engineering, and one is an Urban Planner fromTufts University(all from places out of state with no Michigan ties).  In the other unit one Teaches Metal Working at CCS and he froms from Florida.  People like that came here because they said "Detroit, sounds like something I want to see".  They didn't sit in their dorm and say, "Man I can't wait to graduate and move to Berkley, MI". They could have went to any other city but they choose Detroit, and Michigan as a whole. People should be drawn to the Region because of Detroit, lay down roots, establish themselves then move to nicer suburbs. Thats how the REST of the country works instead we have people hear openly bash the City of Detroit, then wonder why their property values are not going up as much as people in Chicagoland, DFW, The Valley, Tri-State Region, or the DC-BMore Metroplex.

Its people with your mindset thats why this region has struggled for 30 going on 40 years.  I travel 45 weeks a year across the country for work.  Metro Detroit is viewed as place the world has passed by.  If you look at data and census tracts there has been ZERO growth in SE Michigan since the late 80s in terms of people so all your neighborhoods are being propped up by people leaving Detroit(rearranging deck chairs).  So in other words your neighborhood wouldn't exists without it. Its amazing to see a region that was built on industry and a "can do" attitude its devolved into negativity wins.