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All Forum Posts by: Hilary Stalder

Hilary Stalder has started 23 posts and replied 81 times.

Post: Small Multi-Family House Hack

Hilary StalderPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 35

Before Reno!

Post: Small Multi-Family House Hack

Hilary StalderPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 35

Post: Small Multi-Family House Hack

Hilary StalderPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 35

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment in Winter Park.

Purchase price: $303,000
Cash invested: $50,000

My fiance purchased this house as a buy and hold/house hack. It's a little over 1500 sf duplex, each side about 750sf 2/1 units and it is a major fixer upper! We bought the house at $313k and did 3% back in closing costs to maximize cash in hand. The renovations will cost between $40-50k (roof, add AC, flooring, counter tops, paint, trim, doors, etc.). We have a good list of reliable subs that will help us get this done.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

House hacking seemed like an AWESOME way to get into rental properties without going all in and not liking them. There really was no downside to it! We wanted to downsize so we could save money, but it was also a great intro to the rental game!

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

MLS, and investor bought it a year back in a foreclosure sale. He was very straightforward with his bottom line so we got right up to it. The house did not appraise because the inspector did not include the front area as SF in his appraisal. So we were able to negotiate a little more off the deal (knowing we were going to put everything under air and increase the value substantially).

How did you finance this deal?

FHA loan. We BARELY passed the FHA inspection. We had to make a couple repairs earlier than expected to get through the inspection process.

How did you add value to the deal?

We did a FULL Makeover: new roof, added central air, new floors, drywall repairs throughout, new paint, new front door, new fixtures, replaced some windows, new ceiling fans throughout, one side completely new kitchen, otherside half a new kitchen, complete bathroom makeover, and new door hardware/trim. Ended up costing a little more than we budgeted.

What was the outcome?

Rented the other side for asking rent ($1350) before we even moved into the other side! Now we're realizing when we decide to move out of the one side we can ask for more rent when we decide to move!

Lessons learned? Challenges?

When we first moved into the second side of the duplex we had a major plumbing issue with backup on our side. We called Roto-router and they messed around for 2 days before we called our friends with a plumbing company. Roto router charged us twice as much as our friends to NOT fix the problem. Our lesson is to use our resources and ALWAYS have reserves. Lucky for us we did.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I am a real estate agent, but I had my fiance represent himself so I didn't have to pay taxes on any "income". I helped him through the process and found him the deal.

Duplex After Reno

Post: Small Multi-Family House Hack

Hilary StalderPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 35

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment in Winter Park.

Purchase price: $303,000
Cash invested: $50,000

My boyfriend purchased this house as a buy and hold/house hack. It's a little over 1500 sf duplex, each side about 750sf 2/1 units and it is a major fixer upper! We bought the house at $313k and did 3% back in closing costs to maximize cash in hand. The renovations will cost between $40-50k and are mostly maintenance/cosmetic (roof, add AC, flooring, counter tops, paint, trim, doors, etc.). We have a good list of reliable subs that will help us get this done.

We're hoping to have it up and ready for rent by August time frame at which point we'll also move into it. We're expecting the rent out the other side for $1350/month which will cover all but $600 of our mortgage. This will allow us to save exponentially more than ever before! Once we live in it for a year we will find something else to live in and rent out both sides for a cash flow of $300+/month.

The duplex is sandwiched in between two new builds and is also in an up-and-coming area of Winter Park, close to downtown Orlando and major highways (I-4), but also next to all that WP has to offer. Long term we'd like to build new. Once we own the land outright we should be able to build a luxury duplex such as the one next to us to either sell or rent, depending on which makes the most sense at the time. This is a 15-20 year plan.

Update October 2019: Rented Side 1 in August 2019 before we moved in in September 2019. Had a major plumbing issue that set us back $3k but glad we knew about it and had the extra income to offset our little "suprise". Otherwise has been a great investment!

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

House hacking seemed like an AWESOME way to get into rental properties without going all in and not liking them. There really was no downside to it! We wanted to downsize so we could save money, but it was also a great intro to the rental game!

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

MLS, and investor bought it a year back in a foreclosure sale. He was very straightforward with his bottom line so we got right up to it. The house did not appraise because the inspector did not include the front area as SF in his appraisal. So we were able to negotiate a little more off the deal (knowing we were going to put everything under air and increase the value substantially).

How did you finance this deal?

FHA loan. We BARELY passed the FHA inspection. We had to make a couple repairs earlier than expected to get through the inspection process.

How did you add value to the deal?

We did a FULL Makeover: new roof, added central air, new floors, drywall repairs throughout, new paint, new front door, new fixtures, replaced some windows, new ceiling fans throughout, one side completely new kitchen, otherside half a new kitchen, complete bathroom makeover, and new door hardware/trim.

What was the outcome?

Rented the other side for asking rent ($1395) before we even moved into the other side! Now we're realizing when we decide to move out of the one side we can ask for more rent when we decide to move!

Lessons learned? Challenges?

When we first moved into the second side of the duplex we had a major plumbing issue with backup on our side. We called Roto-router and they messed around for 2 days before we called our friends with a plumbing company. Roto router charged us twice as much as our friends to NOT fix the problem. Our lesson is to use our resources and ALWAYS have reserves. Lucky for us we did.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I am a real estate agent, but I had my fiance represent himself so I didn't have to pay taxes on any "income". I helped him through the process and found him the deal.

Post: House Sold - Now What?

Hilary StalderPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 35

@Jonathan Greene Debt-free has a nice ring to it!

@Nicole Heasley Beitenman I tend to agree. I love the idea of owning something that will pay off the debt for me!

@Kevin Sobilo Yes! I need to do more research into the BRRRR strategy. It seems to combine the best of all real estate investing worlds into one very powerful strategy! Plus I thoroughly LOVE rehabbing.

@Brandon Roof Yes, I need to get more creative with how to find deals! Most of the great deals I find require a good amount of upfront capital to get into top-renting shape where you're hitting those 10%+ returns. I'll keep digging!

@John Wijtenburg Great advise! I'll add it to my reading list :)

Post: First Deal - Rehab questions - how much living space?

Hilary StalderPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 35

@Christopher Kolasa It looks like there is space next to the kitchen that could be a "family room". I think the other bedroom is a go if it means higher rent. I'm not sure about your neighborhood or who you're targeting for renters, but if its young professionals probably don't need a kitchen table! If there is a way to make a small bar in the kitchen you can use the space next to the kitchen as a "living room" and tout it as "open concept". 

Post: House Sold - Now What?

Hilary StalderPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 35

So I sold my house and pulled out everything I had invested in it. I bought the house for $280k, sold it for $350 and paid $10k in expenses on top of the $60k for the renovations, so in short... I broke even. I have $82k in student loans. I made the decision to pay off one large student loan with 7.5% interest at $29k. There are (2) more loans at 7.5% interest rate that regardless of where this cash goes I will focus on the next 2 years (29k and 7k) with any money I'm saving monthly. Remaining loan totals = $54k.

I've already decided that if I can pay off the high interst loans at the 7.5% interest, I'm okay with having the $300/month monthly payment the remaining loans require because they will be paid in full by 2026 (some earlier than that). So most important to pay down is the $29k + $7k student loans at 7.5% interest. 

On the other hand, I'm extremely motivated to continue my real-estate investing journey. I've prided myself on home ownership since the time I was 24 and have reaped the benefits of those labors (my first flip made me $40k). I want to continue this journey and believe in the results. I want to focus more on rentals for that long term wealth building. 

So that leaves me with this... I have $27k left from the sale of my house after paying off one very large loan ($29k). The idea of being out of debt sounds great, but maybe not at the price of delaying investing in another property for years. I'm currently house hacking a duplex with my fiance that leaves me with a VERY small home payment ($400/month including utilities). I'm able to save $2k/month min. We will have lived there for a year in April. 

Long winded, but my final question is this. In the BIGGERPOCKETS communities opinion should I: 1. pay off as much student debt as possible with my remaining money and wait to buy another property as a live in house hack next spring (min $20k for the small multi-families we're targeting in A areas) or 2. invest my remaining money in another house hack now as my primary residence and pay off the debt in small chunks monthly as my savings allow

Let the advise begin... :)

Post: Apopka FL is a town to keep on your radar....here's why

Hilary StalderPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 35

@Russell Holmes Thanks for linking the Orlando investor meet up! When is the next meeting? Been looking to get involved with a group as such :) 

Post: 15 Year Existing Tenant w/o Lease- DEAL or DON'T?

Hilary StalderPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 35

@Jennifer T. I'm glad I know this now! The day after I posted this the property went pending... I guess someone else saw the deal that it was! Thanks for sharing, because now I know on the next one... :) 

Post: 15 Year Existing Tenant w/o Lease- DEAL or DON'T?

Hilary StalderPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 35

@Wayne Brooks Thanks! Seems super simple...