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All Forum Posts by: Heath Watson

Heath Watson has started 10 posts and replied 42 times.

Before purchasing a rental property which inspections do you guys receive? Do you guy always pay for termite and sewer lateral also?

Post: Working on and Offer

Heath WatsonPosted
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Quote from @Chris Davidson:

@Heath Watson better for who? Call up the title company and get an estimate on what closing cost would be, and then you will be able to see what net cost are to you, and what net proceeds to the seller would be.


 I believe they will be around 5k that's why I'm asking what's more beneficial or are they basically the same offer?

Post: Working on and Offer

Heath WatsonPosted
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 9

I’m trying to send and offer and i don’t know if paying 90k and me paying closing is better or 95k and they pay closing? 

So what’s better structuring an offer as 90k and I pay closing cost or 95k and they pay closing cost? 

Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Heath Watson

so you'd self-manage?

if they re-assess it and taxes go up, and you have to put it under property management, that's your cash flow gone.

that's what I worry about on deals with rents this low.


 I live 2 miles away from this duplex I would most likely self manage. Like I said I’m only 24 I do have a full time 44 hour week job, but I completely understand the numbers aren’t the best. Just wanting to get my feet wet, learn some things, invest some money, and hopefully grow my wealth while doing so. I’ve been looking for deals for a while…. I know it’s hard to find em. This year I started going hard investing in stocks just to watch them fall, but I’m trying to think long term. I’m a little late to everything but I’m trying to think long term. 

Quote from @Victor S.:
Quote from @Aaron Gordy:

@Heath Watson He seems to be in a cash crunch and doesn't have time to deal with it since he has kids in sports and 2 businesses going on. You should not start at 100k..but 91k. See if he would be interested in a wrap which will allow you to go in way cheaper than 15% down and those expensive points


sounds like a load of b.s. to me. why not finish it for $20k and collect the big check instead of selling it to the OP for what you owe? what sense does that make?
Lol I agree but we will never know? I think that’s what so scary is you know nobody is ever honest about ****. But it’s a 1800sq ft 2 bed 2 bath duplex for 100k obviously needs some work but what would you expect for a duplex for 100k ? To many questions in my head and that’s why I worry also but me not taking the risk might cost me a good buy for long term wealth. 
Quote from @Aaron Gordy:

@Heath Watson He seems to be in a cash crunch and doesn't have time to deal with it since he has kids in sports and 2 businesses going on. You should not start at 100k..but 91k. See if he would be interested in a wrap which will allow you to go in way cheaper than 15% down and those expensive points


 I agree. I already know in my area offering 91k to him will probably just upset him lol. But you are right for me to make this work I need to get it cheaper. I don’t mind getting another loan and putting the 20% if the numbers work. But would it be better to get it for 90k and pay closing or 95k and he pays most of closing. I thought it was always better to just have a lil higher principal and have them pay closing. 

Quote from @Aaron Gordy:

@Heath Watson It sounds to me like you are coming to the sellers/agent's rescue. Is the agent shopping it around to other folks? If its illiquid with no other buyers then you should be able to go substantially down. Additionally, have the sellers pay the closing costs with the int rate buy down. Try to find out the sellers break even point and go for it or lower. I am not sure what the cost of a new hvac unit, insulation, new windows and new siding will cost in St. Louis as costs vary from location to location. Price everything out and figure out if its worth your time. I see deals all the time so don't worry about it if it doesn't pencil out. Sometimes they pencil out and sometimes they don't. But if you are coming in to save the seller then you might be able to hit a home run, so to speak. 

As far as I know, the agent told me he selling because his wife. It could all be ******** but he’s got kids in sports and 2 businesses going on and his wife said he needs to get rid of something. They agent also told me he still owed 91k which is also complete ******** I would think. It already has new windows, hvac, siding, and blown insulation but ameren did that for free I believe.  
Quote from @Victor S.:
too many unknowns. judging by the monthly rent per side, this appears to be a C are at best. are you prepared to be a landlord, or are you going to outsource to a PM for at least 10%/month? if this was such a banging deal, why are they coming to you? the color scheme tells me this was/is a flipper's house. so what happened to them? did they go bust or did they find something that they wan to offload to a sucker like you? (no offense)

even if everything checks out, the 20k "estimate" to complete the other side was pulled out of your behind. i'd triple and quadruple check the numbers with actual contractors (if you can still find those), unless you're going to be doing a diy on it yourself (then double your timeline without cash flow on that side). your mind is overshadowed by potential success without giving any consideration to what can go south on this and quickly. the outrageous financing alone should give you a pause. in the end, you'll be out $45k-50k cash (best case scenario) to cash flow $100/mo? (if not negative, as your piti will be around 700-800/mo) forget about that "ARV" also. with the way things are looking right now, those are not real numbers either.

all this to not discourage you, but to come to the table prepared for the twists and turns that are surely going to be there waiting for you.

 This is every single bit of what has gone through my head since I was brought the deal Friday. Like I said 24, and new to a lot of this. Want to be able to make it work because I would like to invest my money into real estate. It’s got new hvac on both sides, new siding, blown in insulation, new windows. I have the time to work on it myself and at least collect rent from other side to cover most of the mortgage. The duplex definitely comps for 175k fixed up. And I work for Sherwin and with a lot of contractors 20k would have that place looking great. But I completely understand. That’s why I was here looking for insight because I know it’s probably not the best deal but hard to come by duplex’s for 100k that you can probably get 700 a month for sooner or later.