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All Forum Posts by: Heath Watson

Heath Watson has started 10 posts and replied 42 times.

Quote from @Brian Miller:

@Heath Watson, what part of St. Louis is this in? What is the sq footage of each unit. I own a one story triplex, no basement, no washer and dryer hookups, 450 sq ft units, and get $675 per month. It is in the North Hampton neighborhood. I made the units really nice which is easy/affordable to do with the units being so small. They rent pretty easily since most one beds are going for $800+ in the area. If the property is located in STL county, you could have the tenants pay for water and trash. That's common to see in the county and I do that personally on some duplexes I own/manage in STL county. In the city it is more common for the landlord to cover sewer, water, trash, and lawn maintenance. 

It is hour south of St. Louis, in a little more rural area. 
Quote from @Khari F.:
Quote from @Heath Watson:
Quote from @Jeff Copeland:

Don't knock 1/1 units - They are very easy to keep rented, and fairly recession-proof (in the sense that they are a low cost housing option for 1-2 person households and there will always be demand for them). 

Your numbers seem to be right at the 1% rule, which remains difficult to achieve in most markets with an ongoing supply and demand imbalance. 

 The answer to the question "Is this a good deal?" will vary from market to market. So you really need to ask yourself (and research) What else can I buy in this market for around $120k all in? And there's your answer: If there are much better deals out there in the same price range, so buy one of those instead. If not, snap this one up with confidence!

I'll send you a PM with some more info. 

Thank you! It’s about hour south of St. Louis in a smaller area called Desloge. The area isn’t the best so rents can only go so high. I told them I wasn’t willing to go over 90k, there still stuck at 95. So as of now the deal is off until he has a change of heart. I think he knows he’s kinda in a pickle of a situation so hopefully all works out. I think owning a duplex for less than 100k is a steal when thinking long term. It’s just my first rental and I have a feeling I might be running in circles for maybe 200bucks of cash flow. Just trying to make sure I don’t regret the decision, and that’s why I’m staying firm at 90k. 

 Off market? How many days on market?

Off market 
Quote from @Jeff Copeland:

Don't knock 1/1 units - They are very easy to keep rented, and fairly recession-proof (in the sense that they are a low cost housing option for 1-2 person households and there will always be demand for them). 

Your numbers seem to be right at the 1% rule, which remains difficult to achieve in most markets with an ongoing supply and demand imbalance. 

 The answer to the question "Is this a good deal?" will vary from market to market. So you really need to ask yourself (and research) What else can I buy in this market for around $120k all in? And there's your answer: If there are much better deals out there in the same price range, so buy one of those instead. If not, snap this one up with confidence!

I'll send you a PM with some more info. 

Thank you! It’s about hour south of St. Louis in a smaller area called Desloge. The area isn’t the best so rents can only go so high. I told them I wasn’t willing to go over 90k, there still stuck at 95. So as of now the deal is off until he has a change of heart. I think he knows he’s kinda in a pickle of a situation so hopefully all works out. I think owning a duplex for less than 100k is a steal when thinking long term. It’s just my first rental and I have a feeling I might be running in circles for maybe 200bucks of cash flow. Just trying to make sure I don’t regret the decision, and that’s why I’m staying firm at 90k. 
Quote from @Eliott Elias:

Are you cash flowing? Do you believe in the growth of the area? If yes than you have a good deal 


 With principle and interest at 560 with 20percent down, idk if it will cash flow. When the other side is complete probably 1200 in rent. With taxes and insurance I’m sure that’s another 150 bucks a month, Maintenance, water, sewer, trash. I do have faith the area will grow over time but might be awhile. I’m trying to think of the equity I would build over time but that’s lot of work to build a little bit of equity. With the size of it, if it was just a 3bed 2 bath house in the area it’d be worth $170k. But its 1 bed 1 bath units on each side so I don’t know if I would ever be able to get 170k for it with rents only at 1200. 

2 bed 2 bath 1780sq ft. Each unit is 1 bed 1 bath which is a downside. One side is rented for 550 atm but I know rents could be raised some. The other side is gutted and 10-15k would get it rent ready (maybe could turn into 2 bed with more money and time). They want 97k for the duplex, and with interest rates high even with 20% down principal and interest is right at $560. I live 2 miles away from the property so I would try to self manage. I don't own any rentals and wanted to get other opinions on the deal. New hvac, windows, blown in insulation, new siding, newer roof.

Post: DUPLEX MONTHLY EXPENSES

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Quote from @Matt Crusinberry:

@Lana Lee, I tend to stay away from 1 bed units as well, unless it's too good to turn down. However, I still calculate for vacancy so I don't have to reach into my pocket again for that particular property. 

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 What’s to good to turn down in todays day with the interest rates and only bringing in say 1200 a month in rent. I found duplex, 1 bed 1 bath units. 97k 7.6 interest. 

first offer 90k, then he came back with 98k, I asked if he would pay closing cost at 98 but he came back with he would pay 3% commission and sell for 97k. I told them I would let them know something tomorrow.

Quote from @Aaron Gordy:

@Heath Watson Go in with the higher amount and have the seller cover the closing costs. Less money in will magnify the rate of return. For every dollar spent on the property you should think about the rate of return. For example, if you put in new windows will you generate a higher rent for it and better long term tenants? 


 his last offer is 97k and i pay closing, he pays 3% commission. My last offer was 98k and he pays closing.  



 So update after trying to negotiate his last offer is 97k and he will pay 3% commission. I have to pay closing cost. 

Quote from @Marshall Leipprandt:

@Heath Watson Hey Heath, I always have a general inspection as well as termite/WDO. Depending on the setup of the home (city sewer or septic), I may make some exceptions to what I do from the outset. I just dropped $850 total for a general inspection and a WDO on a house in FL and ended up backing out during my inspection period. Glad I did and the $850 is a small price of due diligence to pay to avoid getting in over my head on a project. 

Typically, my strategy is to get the general inspection done ASAP to determine if I need to bring out other specialists in areas like Electrical, HVAC, Mold, etc. You definitely want to ID those big ticket items ASAP to give yourself time to either decide if it's worth continuing in the purchase or to negotiate repairs/credits. It's all easier said than done, and of course, each individual inspection costs $ and is an appointment that will have to be coordinated with the listing agent and sellers so it is never quite as easy as some gurus make it sound.

Are you under contract on a property or still on the search?

 I’m in the process of getting a duplex under contract.