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All Forum Posts by: Harsh Thakker

Harsh Thakker has started 1 posts and replied 8 times.

Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Harsh Thakker:
Quote from @Kevin Maher:

https://fortune.com/2022/12/28...   Please read this article in Fortune magazine.  It spells out the coming housing crash by the feds.  They fully intend to crash the housing market to fix inflation.  There is something that you don't see talked about that is in this article is the hidden unfinished house inventory.  These houses are typically listed by the time they pull a permit but they have been holding inventory back off the market since the 2020 at least in order to capture all the appreciation they can.  This will all be on the market in the next 3 to 4 months probably.  The carrying cost of construction has got to be killing the builders with inventory languishing.  People are backing out of deals and walking.  By end of 2023 builders will stop building.  Layoffs will happen.  Houses will start going back to the banks from builders.  The typical consumer can not afford a house and they have less every day for house due to the higher prices on everything.  They have to buy food, fuel, clothes, so rents will have to come down as well.  Which is what the feds want.  As they say in the stock market don't fight the feds.  Good luck to everybody even the ones that dislike my opinion.


I sell lots directly to homebuilders, and also build my own new construction homes. Even in the current market, I am seeing builders still easily making 8-10% plus margin on costs. Also, not one builder that I know has stopped buying lots, though all are of course more cautious.

Builders, and especially large regional and national homebuilders, do not use the same kind of financing as even most developers. These are generally large corporate structures or publicly traded companies that have the ability to raise debt and bond financing in the capital markets at or near short term lending levels, and for those that are especially creditworthy and have strong lending ties, they may even still be in the low 4's for construction interest rates (not unheard of, even in this market, for truly prime borrowers). Additionally, interest is typically only accrued on drawn capital so unless and until the home is fully complete it won't be accruing much carrying cost (land is hardly ever financed, and of the major builders only a handful engage in speculative building and would have finished houses without an end contract).


I really like when someone from inside the industry is demystifying what really happened compared to magazines like a fortune. 

 I mean, fortune is not wrong that prices are likely to drop. But their own article, says clearly, that the drop will just take us back to maybe 2021, or 2020 levels.

No builder worth their salt underwrites their deals expecting that trend to continue, and given the record margins of the past couple of years, even if it doesn't continue they are far from hurting. Now, those builders who are otherwise not financially healthy or managing their internal affairs appropriately might be taken out by a shock like this, but not any builder who played well the last couple of years.

Quote from @Kevin Maher:

https://fortune.com/2022/12/28...   Please read this article in Fortune magazine.  It spells out the coming housing crash by the feds.  They fully intend to crash the housing market to fix inflation.  There is something that you don't see talked about that is in this article is the hidden unfinished house inventory.  These houses are typically listed by the time they pull a permit but they have been holding inventory back off the market since the 2020 at least in order to capture all the appreciation they can.  This will all be on the market in the next 3 to 4 months probably.  The carrying cost of construction has got to be killing the builders with inventory languishing.  People are backing out of deals and walking.  By end of 2023 builders will stop building.  Layoffs will happen.  Houses will start going back to the banks from builders.  The typical consumer can not afford a house and they have less every day for house due to the higher prices on everything.  They have to buy food, fuel, clothes, so rents will have to come down as well.  Which is what the feds want.  As they say in the stock market don't fight the feds.  Good luck to everybody even the ones that dislike my opinion.


I sell lots directly to homebuilders, and also build my own new construction homes. Even in the current market, I am seeing builders still easily making 8-10% plus margin on costs. Also, not one builder that I know has stopped buying lots, though all are of course more cautious.

Builders, and especially large regional and national homebuilders, do not use the same kind of financing as even most developers. These are generally large corporate structures or publicly traded companies that have the ability to raise debt and bond financing in the capital markets at or near short term lending levels, and for those that are especially creditworthy and have strong lending ties, they may even still be in the low 4's for construction interest rates (not unheard of, even in this market, for truly prime borrowers). Additionally, interest is typically only accrued on drawn capital so unless and until the home is fully complete it won't be accruing much carrying cost (land is hardly ever financed, and of the major builders only a handful engage in speculative building and would have finished houses without an end contract).

Personally, whether or not there is a price correct is, IMO, significantly less important than the volume of trading that occurs at those corrected prices.

If median prices drops 20% but transaction volume and available inventory drops 40%, then the number of investors who will be able to benefit from the crash and the window of opportunity to take advantage of price correction is extremely limited. And the only people who "lose their shirt" in such a scenario and exit the market entirely, are people who are forced to sell within that limited window. 

For investors, they may be forced to sell if they lose cashflow or ability to service debt (rent drops, property goes vacant longer-term, or they planned on flipping it and do not have the reserves to keep paying interest). For homeowners, forced selling really only happens if they can no longer afford the payment, which only really happens when they lose their job and cannot find another one in time. 

Now, homeowner credit profiles have essentially never been better, and most of them have locked in low rates, and make over $100,000+ per year. The risk of forced selling there only happens if there is significant, sustained job loss in well-paying sectors of the economy (which typically tend to be more stable, especially with the current labor market and general employer need for long-term talent retention to avoid brain drain with an aging and less productive population). So there likely is not going to be a rash of homeowner foreclosures flooding the market. Homeowners don't sell at a loss just because of fear of the market dropping; generally they didn't buy they home because they thought it was an amazing deal but because they needed somewhere to live, they and their families liked the location, property, etc, and they can afford the fixed monthly payment.

Investors, on the other hand, are more likely to be forced sellers in the coming years, especially those who bought improperly. A renter who loses their job has very little switching costs for moving properties compared to a homeowner, and with more multifamily inventory coming online or economic hardship pushing homeowners to rent out extra rooms, etc, rents are likely to soften in the event of further economic distress. But, in most markets, investors barely make up single-digit % proportions of total sales. In 2021, however, nationwide investors have made up 24% of the single-family housing sold, so that's a more substantial portion. In some markets, the proportion is likely even higher than that, especially those that are extremely investor heavy. These are the markets in which I expect the largest declines.

However, overall, this brings us back to the data suggesting that, while there may be a price correction, the amount of product that will be available for purchase at those corrected prices before the market recovers is likely to be low, maybe even below 10-20% of total inventory.

Well, your initial thought that it would appeal to developers who want to save on holding time is correct. I am a developer in DC and we try as much as possible to buy shovel ready projects. We looked at a couple in Philly but the numbers just didn't pencil out at the time, I'd imagine you can get in the $90-120/buildable SF range for a shovel ready site though based on what I recall, depending on your location. If you do ever get a lot shovel ready I'd definitely be happy to take a look at it!

@Gemma Curl ok, will work in on it in the next couple days!

Post: Building on an empty lot

Harsh ThakkerPosted
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As for whether or not you can GC yourself, that depends on your particular state laws. In Virginia, for example, you can GC any work on a property that you own, but you can't GC for others without a license. In DC, you can't GC at all without a license.

Also, I wouldn't say that GC'ing yourself will be cheaper--in many cases, since established GC's have longstanding relationships with subcontractors and suppliers, they can actually provide you cost savings over performing the project yourself. Not to mention, if you do not have any construction experience, you are exposing yourself to a lot of liability and risk by not using a GC, since there are a number of things that could go wrong at each step of the process, which will cost you time, money, and energy.

@Russell Brazil the current project is in Brookland. Thanks for the welcome!

Hi all!

I'm a new developer in the DC/Virginia area. I started in real estate through internships in commercial brokerage and working with some housing tech companies, but now I'm out on my own focusing mainly on small (6-8 unit) condominium development in DC for now. My skills are primarily in capital raising, both in terms of debt and equity, and on the financial analysis side of things, and my goal is to keep moving up the development ladder with larger projects, and to achieve better returns for my investors.

I'm currently working on a 6 unit project in DC, and I was thinking of doing a "development life cycle" post if there's any interest, where I would periodically walk through some of the daily tasks and challenges that accompany a development project. Let me know in the comments if you'd be interested in reading something like that and I'll make the first post in the series soon! Looking forward to getting to know the BP community better!