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All Forum Posts by: Haritha N.

Haritha N. has started 8 posts and replied 20 times.

I am currently under contract for closing on a rental property in Huntsville, AL. I chose Huntsville for a combination of factors - its population growth, job growth, low taxes and my affordable budget of 100k-160k SFH with a decent balance of cashflow and appreciation. I hope to buy a few more properties in Huntsville.

I would like to diversify my investments by buying in some other places too. I understand it doesn't make sense to buy in too many places as well. I would like the investors here to list the cities/places they think are an excellent investment choice now for SFH purchases with <175k budget in B-class (& above) neighbourhoods and cashflow as close to the 1% rule as possible.

I live in Seattle, I am looking at out of state investment locations that fit the above criteria.

@Don Konipol

Thank you for such a comprehensive answer. The way you explained both buying properties and notes and the differences - it gave me a definitive understanding of pros and cons of both.

@Jamie Bateman Agree. Time value of money, opportunity cost and the risk appetite - all make sense.

@Andy Mirza got it

@Dan Deppen,

So, the more risky a note is, the more distant the bid price is to the UPB, right? If bid price is UPB, the yield will be the interest rate of the loan.

Will look at paperstac. Do private investors trade seller/owner financed notes generally (or) do they trade banks/institutions owned notes? 

I am fairly new to the concept of buying/selling mortgage notes and I have been reading about it. From what I understand (to put in simplistic terms):

  • Lenders (could be banks, financial institutions, private people) lend money to borrowers for purchasing properties. They do this in the form of recording a note between the lender and the borrower by having the property as the collateral.
  • Lenders then sell the note to investors (institutional, private) online or through loan servicers, brokers and other channels. Now, the buyer of the note for a property becomes the lender as far as that property is concerned. Any P&I payments that the borrower makes go to the new buyer lender. Satisfying escrow, tax and other legal requirements of the mortgage are now the new buyer lender's responsibility.
  • If the mortgage is paid as per the terms till the end of the loan term, the new buyer lender will get the P&I payments from the borrower for the remaining months of loan term from when he/she bought the note.
  • If the borrower defaults on the payments, it is the new buyer lender's job to evaluate various avenues like loan restructure, deed in lieu, refinance, foreclosure and arrive at the best possible action by discussing with the borrower. If it goes to foreclosure, the buyer lender will incur additional costs for notice of default, auction, follow up, lender-own, repair, sell/rent the property.

My questions are:

For a performing note, why would anyone sell it at any cost less than unpaid balance? For example, if the unpaid balance is $150k, LTV is 45%, why would a seller want to sell it for $147k, even a difference of 3k ?

If a performing note stays performing till the end of the loan term, it is almost as if we did a CD or high yield savings account with the loan interest rate for the loan term  - of course, in a CD, you will get interest only for the term and get your principal at the term end. When we buy a note, we get interest and principal throughout the term so that principal diminishes over time. If this is the case, why don't investors flock to buy the mortgage notes instead of buying an investment property?

Assume we buy a performing note for full UPB of $150k with 6% rate for 240 remaining months, we get $899 per month of p&I throughout 240 months. It seems like a safe earning of $10k per year for $150k investment. In the worst case if the borrower defaults, we could choose to profit by helping the borrower continue to pay or foreclose.

  • If I buy a house with the same $150k and assume it rents for $1500, we got to deduct about 40% of the rent (=$600) for all the repair/propmgmt/capex/vacancy expenses, we get $900 per month. If the expenses are a bit lesser, we may get $1000.
  • If the difference is only $100, why would it make sense for someone to buy an investment property rather than buying a performing note? Performing note will be more liquid than buying the property too - we can hold the note as long as we want the cashflow. If we want to get the cash out, we can sell the note. What am I missing?

If I want to start buying performing notes, where do I start? FCI exchange site is not working. I could see one site paperstac, that I will register with. But, it has about 177 listings when I checked, seems less pool of notes. 

As an individual person, can I buy a note without any license? Does it vary from state to state?

If I want to buy a house, the team that I would be looking for is - buyer's agent, prop mgmt, prop inspector, prop appraiser, attorney, title company. Similarly, who are the partners that I should look for if I want to buy a note?

Do you have any platforms that you use to know the new performing/non-performing notes that are added from multiple lenders? I will do my due diligence once I come across a listing, but, where do I see these listings in the first place? 

I am sure I will have more questions as I learn more. Appreciate inputs from experience note investors.

@Trent Stone, Thank you for your insight into the analysis. I get what you are saying about doing the due diligence. I posted them to figure out what else to think about even if ROI seems good. I get the importance that has to be placed on the location, neighbourhood, growth/appreciation/stability/peace_of_mind along with the cash flow.

I remember reading conflicting information about the cash-on-cash that investors aim for - some mentioned they won't even consider if it is not in the teens or higher. From what I see, I don't see any SFH deal giving a double digit ROI if the SFH is in a B or A neighbourhood. Am I missing something (or) am I not searching for deals hard enough (or) investors who look for pure cash flow might take some risk thereby rewarding them with high returns sometimes?

I googled population growth stats for both the places - North Collinwood, Ohio and Alexandria, Indiana. I couldn't find good results that tell me the growth/decline story of North Collinwood readily. Do you happen to remember/refer the site(s) that have this information in the results?

@Michael King, Yes, I thought so too. I didn't include utility cost whereas the post mentioned "owner pays all utilities". There is also high property tax of $6k, but, some Cap credits of $2700, net tax shows as $3300 in the county tax records. Yes, key details are missing and it seems too good to be true otherwise. 

Hello All,

I am going through BP marketplace and came across some listings. I would like to post my analysis on these deals here for your feedback. I hope it is allowed on the forums. Mods, please feel free to remove the post if it is not allowed.

1) https://www.biggerpockets.com/real-estate-listings/rented-double-in-north-collingwood-oh-1180-month

      • Built in 1922
      • Gross Monthly Operating Income: $1086  ($1180 - $94 (8% vacancy ) )
      • Monthly Operating expenses: $567 (PM 10%, Ins 50, Taxes 150, Repairs 5%, CAPEx 5%, Utilities 150)
      • Annual NOI: $6,222
      • Purchase Price: $69,900
      • 25% Down Payment: $17,475 ; Loan: $52,425, Term: 30 yrs ; Rate: 4.25%
      • Closing costs: $3000
      • Initial Investment: $20,475
      • Monthly cash flow(before taxes) : $261
      • Annual cash flow (before taxes): $3126.97
      • Cash on cash : 15.27%

      2) https://www.biggerpockets.com/real-estate-listings/value-add-10-unit-building

      • Built in 1899
      • Gross Monthly Operating Income: $2880  ($3200 - $320 (10% vacancy ) )
      • Monthly Operating expenses: $1615 (PM 10%, Ins 150, Taxes 745, Repairs 5%, CAPEx 10%, Utilities 0)
      • Annual NOI: $15,180
      • Purchase Price: $181,500
      • 25% Down Payment: $45,375 ; Loan: $136,125, Term: 30 yrs ; Rate: 4.25%
      • Closing costs: $5000
      • Initial Investment: $50,375
      • Monthly cash flow(before taxes) : 595
      • Annual cash flow (before taxes): 7144.16
      • Cash on cash : 14.18%

      If I look at just the cash flow, these two listings look good. What about appreciation? Given they are already ~100 years old, isn't there a risk the properties don't appreciate much? Do investors look for a balance of cash flow and property appreciation when they buy? Or do they give weightage to cash flow and then get rid of such old properties after a few years?

      If you buy the properties of this kind, what is your idea about the investment?

      If you don't buy the properties of this kind, what is your idea behind such a decision?

      Thanks

        Hello,

        I live in Seattle and I am interested in making an offer for a MF in Huntsville, AL. Could you help me with your reference for a trustworthy buyer's agent ? I am also looking for references for other important team members - property inspector, property management firm. Any other set of people that I should look for while buying out of state? Can anyone recommend a title company that I can contact?

        I am just trying to venture into real estate investing. This will be first investment property purchase if it goes through. I am getting anxious as I don't know where to start for an out of state purchase. But, I hope I learn the process with this deal or the next, I keep telling myself I have got to start somewhere.

        Thanks

        Hello,

        I live in Seattle and I am interested in making an offer for a MF in Huntsville, AL.  Could you help me with your reference for a trustworthy buyer's agent ? I am also looking for references for other important team members - property inspector, property management firm. Any other set of people that I should look for while buying out of state? Can anyone recommend a title company that I can contact?

        I am just trying to venture into real estate investing. This will be first investment property purchase if it goes through. I am getting anxious as I don't know where to start for an out of state purchase. But, I hope I learn the process with this deal or the next, I keep telling myself I have got to start somewhere.

        Thanks

        Haritha