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All Forum Posts by: Gururaj Iyer

Gururaj Iyer has started 23 posts and replied 108 times.

Yes, they offer different analytics however the underlying  objective is the same,  I use Airdna only when I know and I am sure of the area and zone I am interested in investing... Mashvisor is purely to explore and gauge at a broader level.  Pricing varies a lot between the 2 as well... I have a life time subscription to Mashvisor and it is my 1st level of app to use.. once I drill into a narrow details like a specific zip code in a place , I use Airdna to extrapolate occupancy rates and ADR... they both are useful and if both point to similar numbers and stats - chances are that those would be more true and accurate...for your needs I think if the property in question is up for sale and has been used as a Airbnb listing - you should be able to see the numbers in the Airbnb tab to verify.. 

Originally posted by @John LaVecchia:

@Gururaj Iyer Thank you! They both offer very different analytics. Have you had any experience comparing the two. Thank you for the help!

@John LaVecchia, there is another tool other than Airdna, it’s called mashvisor .. both these tools are AI based algorithms and they predict and forecast , there is a rentalizer tool in airdna and it allows you to put in a address and it predicts numbers based on what adjacent properties ( or itself ) is earning in revenue

Post: Vacation Rentals in the Poconos

Gururaj IyerPosted
  • Edison, NJ
  • Posts 110
  • Votes 33
Wait, so Summer is peak , Sept - Nov Is peak.,.. and winter ski season is peak as well so what's wrong with the Poconos again? 
Originally posted by @Ken Latchers:
It was booked September through November because that is peak season. It's not because you're clever.

posted by @Gururaj Iyer:
I have a similar experience as yours with evolve ( although they did mess up a few times ) I have seen a lot of individual super hosts gather more crowd ! 2-3 years ago it would have been less but I do see the occupancy increasing .. 
Originally posted by @Guy Wasko:

Hey Robin (and others on this Pocono Related thread). 
My wife and I are brand new to the STR space. We live in NYC and wanted a place that our family could easily escape to but that would also hopefully rent out frequently enough to cover the expenses. We didn't need the house to make a huge profit, just pay for itself.

I’m happy to say that while we’re still learning, our home is performing well. 
we bought in March, cleaned and decorated etc and launched our rental program with Evolve in May (5/24/19). We used the house the WHOLE month of August and we’ve still had 84 nights booked. 
it was booked every weekend September - November. December only has two rentals and we’re using it for Christmas-New Year’s holiday (which is peak rental $$). 

For reference we bought a 4/2 in Big Bass Lake (aesthetically it’s looks like a cabin and we went with a modern, Scandinavian design approach, though the bathrooms and kitchens are still original). We are on 1 acre and a 6 minute walk to the lake/beach. The house is 1600sq ft and we paid $110k for it. 

Big Bass Lake is a little further from NYC than I'd prefer and there are more lavish amenity filled communities in the region, but we have been pleasantly surprised with our STR performance.

For those more seasoned with STR’s is this just beginners luck? We’re averaging $220/night. 

Hopefully this gives some added perspective to the conversation. 

I have had a similar question in my head last few days, I think the STR market will be impacted.  The other side is also true - many folks who cancelled their international trip would want to stay domestic.. I haven't seen cancellations as such but I expect if it gets out of hand the market will have to brace for impact.. 
Originally posted by @Tehane Gallimore:

Has anyone seen any changes in their short-term rental property activity since the Coronavirus Outbreak has started? Any thoughts on whether short-term rentals will take a hit? My first thoughts would be it probably depends on your location, but I wasn't sure if anyone has started experiencing changes as a response to the virus outbreak?

Post: Vacation Rentals in the Poconos

Gururaj IyerPosted
  • Edison, NJ
  • Posts 110
  • Votes 33
I have a similar experience as yours with evolve ( although they did mess up a few times ) I have seen a lot of individual super hosts gather more crowd ! 2-3 years ago it would have been less but I do see the occupancy increasing .. 
Originally posted by @Guy Wasko:

Hey Robin (and others on this Pocono Related thread). 
My wife and I are brand new to the STR space. We live in NYC and wanted a place that our family could easily escape to but that would also hopefully rent out frequently enough to cover the expenses. We didn't need the house to make a huge profit, just pay for itself.

I’m happy to say that while we’re still learning, our home is performing well. 
we bought in March, cleaned and decorated etc and launched our rental program with Evolve in May (5/24/19). We used the house the WHOLE month of August and we’ve still had 84 nights booked. 
it was booked every weekend September - November. December only has two rentals and we’re using it for Christmas-New Year’s holiday (which is peak rental $$). 

For reference we bought a 4/2 in Big Bass Lake (aesthetically it’s looks like a cabin and we went with a modern, Scandinavian design approach, though the bathrooms and kitchens are still original). We are on 1 acre and a 6 minute walk to the lake/beach. The house is 1600sq ft and we paid $110k for it. 

Big Bass Lake is a little further from NYC than I'd prefer and there are more lavish amenity filled communities in the region, but we have been pleasantly surprised with our STR performance.

For those more seasoned with STR’s is this just beginners luck? We’re averaging $220/night. 

Hopefully this gives some added perspective to the conversation. 

Post: Vacation Rentals in the Poconos

Gururaj IyerPosted
  • Edison, NJ
  • Posts 110
  • Votes 33
Offcourse they do , but they do have single rooms for going as high as 600 bucks.  , a group  of 16 renting out 350-400 bucks a night is what I am seeing as a growing trend , folks tend to save cost and still get to visit these resorts ( except great wolf ) the pocono springs is expected to draw an additional 5 million plus visitors , no way the resorts can fulfill this demand .. I agree that this is no smokies however I don’t think that if chosen a good location with a good updated house STRs can do pretty well... especially in the lake harmony side which the original post referenced 

Originally posted by @Ken Latchers:
You don't think Kalahari and these projects and all the other places don't have enough excess space to soak up excess demand?

you are looking at a region where you generally can rent most Fridays and Saturday nights for seven or eight months a year with very high taxes and high costs and increasing short term rental regulations.

and the number of vacation rentals are rapidly growing all the time.

Originally posted by @Gururaj Iyer:
hi Eric , pretty insightful - one question - what do u think about the pocono springs project ? Next to kalahari it’s supposed to draw in a lot of visitors in another year or so .. the demand and occupancy rate ought to increase in that scenario right ?
Originally posted by @Eric P.:

I posted about this the other day in response to someone else’s question:

I've spoken to a few STR investors in the Poconos & here's some things they've warned me about:

1) Super low occupancy rates: you can rent for full weeks in summer but that's your only real guarantee. If you're super close to one of the ski resorts you can also rent for winter weekends (though the ski season has been getting shorter recently). Fall & spring are apparently super tough - very low demand - both weekends & weekdays. 75 annual rental days is considered good in the Poconos and 100 is considered excellent (so 20-25% annual occupancy). Compare that with Gatlinburg, TN & Florida spots that get 80+% occupancy year-round

2) Apparently there's a shortage of good cleaners in the Poconos. I've had numerous Poconos Airbnb owners tell me this shortage of quality labor is causing real problems.

3) Expenses can run high, which is a real problem with only 20-25% annual occupancy rates to produce income. Very high power bills, increasing property taxes, costly HOA fees, snow removal costs, hotel tax, septic & well maintenance costs, etc, etc

4) Perhaps most damning is this: I've talked to quite a few Poconos investors who are looking to sell after only 1 or 2 years of operating. To me this is a huge red flag. When I talk to STR investors in Pigeon Forge or across Florida, they're looking to BUY more STRs not to sell what they own! It worries me that so many Poconos STR owners sell so quickly after buying.

@Shane Ward - I would agree with you . I have seen many properties even non lake fronts make good money out of it .. I own and do a str on a lake front in poconos close to kalahari and I haven’t been disappointed , looking to dive into the lake harmony area which is another hot spot I believe it being closer to Jim Thorpe

Post: Vacation Rentals in the Poconos

Gururaj IyerPosted
  • Edison, NJ
  • Posts 110
  • Votes 33
hi Eric , pretty insightful - one question - what do u think about the pocono springs project ? Next to kalahari it’s supposed to draw in a lot of visitors in another year or so .. the demand and occupancy rate ought to increase in that scenario right ?
Originally posted by @Eric P.:

I posted about this the other day in response to someone else’s question:

I've spoken to a few STR investors in the Poconos & here's some things they've warned me about:

1) Super low occupancy rates: you can rent for full weeks in summer but that's your only real guarantee. If you're super close to one of the ski resorts you can also rent for winter weekends (though the ski season has been getting shorter recently). Fall & spring are apparently super tough - very low demand - both weekends & weekdays. 75 annual rental days is considered good in the Poconos and 100 is considered excellent (so 20-25% annual occupancy). Compare that with Gatlinburg, TN & Florida spots that get 80+% occupancy year-round

2) Apparently there's a shortage of good cleaners in the Poconos. I've had numerous Poconos Airbnb owners tell me this shortage of quality labor is causing real problems.

3) Expenses can run high, which is a real problem with only 20-25% annual occupancy rates to produce income. Very high power bills, increasing property taxes, costly HOA fees, snow removal costs, hotel tax, septic & well maintenance costs, etc, etc

4) Perhaps most damning is this: I've talked to quite a few Poconos investors who are looking to sell after only 1 or 2 years of operating. To me this is a huge red flag. When I talk to STR investors in Pigeon Forge or across Florida, they're looking to BUY more STRs not to sell what they own! It worries me that so many Poconos STR owners sell so quickly after buying.

That is impressive ! i  just started it out last year with 2 STRS and i am primarily more interested in good tourist spots.. houses which are safe bets ..with a full time job the pace of adding STRs is very slow for me.. i have only marketed my STRs on Airbnb..which i guess travelling workers and tourists both avail off.. i had no idea that there is a different world out there catering to just short term travellers..
Originally posted by @Paul Sandhu:

If you want to rent to travelling workers (refinery contractors for me), I'm the resident expert.  23 STRs, 83 beds, 1500 former and current tenants.

Totally , i am hoping there is enough "cake" still available in the region for all the STR experts to co-exist :) 
Originally posted by @Reagen Natho:

@Gururaj Iyer @Avery Carl is your person! She's the resident Smokys STR is expert realtor.