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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

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Post: Crunching Numbers: Various Financing Options & Debt Service

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Originally posted by @Rick L.:

@Account Closed

Regardless of whether you use an ARM or balloon (extremely risky) to finance the investment, if the investment horizon is similar -- 20 years for instance as you mentioned, then you would (or can) estimate what you feel the average mortgage rate is going to be on the multifamily investment during that horizon. It isn't too different from you assuming or estimating what the rental income will be for multiple years.

With the ARM, after the initial rate adjust, you don't know if the new rate (if you choose not to refinance) is going to be more or less; or if the new rate will force you to either refinance or sell the investment (which may not be at too good a price).

You have a similar issue with the balloon payment mortgage too. You are also unaware what the new rate will be when/if you refinance (assuming there aren't any cashflow issues and that you can indeed refinance). You may also have to sell the investment before the 20 year horizon.

How valid your assumptions are would be very critical in determining the accuracy of the evaluation. The capital structure is still just debt financing but each financing (ARM or balloon) can drastically influence some very critical issues. The IRR is also a tool that could be useful in this regard.

Post: Condo or Multi-Family?

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Originally posted by @Dinesh T.:

I have heard that multi-families are better than condos, but my analysis shows me otherwise. Please advice if I should pull the trigger on the below condo:

Condo: Offer: 62,500; Rehab: 10,000; Rent/mo: 1300; HOA: 200, Tax: 1400, Maint: 1716; PM: 1430, Admin: 300; 25% down @ 4.5% interest; NOI: 7051, Cash Flow: 4201, CAP: 9.52%

Multi: Offer: 82,000; Rehab: 30,000; Rent/mo: 2000; Tax: 4000, Maint: 2640, Insurance: 2500, Util: 1300, PM: 2200, Admin: 300; 25% down @ 4.5% interest; NOI: 9050, Cash Flow: 5318, CAP: 7.95%

You personally as an investor look at the cash flow from the investment, and also at the timing and riskiness of those cash flows.

Post: Crunching Numbers: Various Financing Options & Debt Service

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Originally posted by @Rick L.:

I'm transitioning from perusing small residential multifamily properties (2-4 units) and SFH's to larger 10+ unit properties. It's been easy to compare deals since the financing has been strictly conventional fixed rate mortgages. However, how do I compare a large multifamily deal, where financing is being offers as ARM or Balloons VS. the conventional fixed rate mortgage deals I have in the past???

How do I make sure I'm achieving similar investment returns with such different financing options? ARM/Balloon vs Fixed Rate Mortgages???

That may be risky. You aren't aware of what the rate will be after the ARM balloons. You have to make a lot of assumptions that do have to be correct. You also wouldn't want to target similar returns if the risk characteristics are materially different as you may have to exit the ARM investment if refinancing rates aren't favorable (reinvestment risk).

Post: Difficulty selling rental properties at loan amount

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Originally posted by @Sabrina Brown:

@Account Closed

Hi Greg, I just emailed you back.  The cash flow is the net income on each of the properties.  Hope this helps.  Thank you.

To clarify, what is listed on the website defines cash flow (CF) as CF after mortgage payments, taxes insurance etc. The information that I need is/was the net before those expenses on each of the SFH. You may also email it for confidentiality reasons.

Post: How to calculate two loans on same property

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Originally posted by @Kevin Andrews:

Hi all! I'm trying to use the BP calculator for Flipping and for Renting and only have 3 uses left. I am looking to purchase a 4 unit house, in foreclosure and was planning on offering 30,000 for it. However it needs a lot of work and I was going to get a private money loan to cover the rehab costs and a separate loan to purchase the house. I have about 10k to put down, so that would make the 30k purchase price a 20k total loan amount, and then and 80k loan for rehab costs. Since I am not living in the property I won't qualify for a 203k loan. Is there a way to calculate two loans in the BP calculators? I can't total the loans and do a loan for 100k in the calculator because they will both have different terms. Thanks for the help

 It helps being able to use a financial calculator to get the numbers on any deal you encounter. 

Post: Mentally Ill Seller

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Originally posted by @Craig Norris:

Hi all,

I have a potential seller who is clearly mentally ill. I've talked to her on the phone a couple of times and it's certainly interesting each time. 

Obviously, entering into a contract with someone who's not of sound mind is questionable. Worse, entering into a contract with someone who isn't competent leaves me prone to a voidable contract after the transaction has taken place.

Options I'm considering:

1. Ask her if she has an adviser, attorney, or other person who acts in her interest. Contact that person and conduct the transaction through the two of them. 

2. Hire an (ethical) attorney to conduct the transaction on my behalf (which I would do for #1 as well).

3. Scrapping the whole thing before I get too deep.

All advice is appreciated.

Best regards,

Craig Norris

 How are you determining the seller is mentally ill? Seller may just be experiencing some form of distress. Is she seeing a shrink?

Post: Difficulty selling rental properties at loan amount

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Originally posted by @Sabrina Brown:

@Account Closed  The details of the properties, including addresses, are listed on my website under "properties for sale" (see my signature field for the link).  Thank you.

 What is the net income and/or current mortgage payment on each of the rentals? It only list the monthly rent amount and cash flow from each.

Post: My 10 unit has a time bomb balloon payment and I need to move it. Ideas???

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Hello everyone,

I manage a 10 unit complex here in north Georgia. We just had a commercial appraisal come back at $850,000. We owe $518,000, but it's a balloon with 3 years left. We are trying to figure out how to move it over to a long term fixed. The bank we are with is too small and won't do the refi for us.

Any suggestions?

Thanks! 

Any issues that would startle a lender or complicate the deal in terms of financials-- rental income, net income/cash flow, debt service coverage etc? And was the appraisal affected more by complex price increase or rent?

Post: Difficulty selling rental properties at loan amount

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Originally posted by @Sabrina Brown:

I own 3 rental properties in Memphis and have been renting them out since I got them.  However, last year I tried to sell them at 25% below market value and still only got offers for less than the loan amount.  I ended up having to put tenants in it again after not receiving any income for a year in addition to putting in another 20K to fix these properties up to make them turn key.  I can't refi because I am self employed and I can't do a short sale or approach the banks as to not to jeopardize my excellent credit rating.  

I would like to sell these properties as a package. They generate at least 1K/month in net profits (after PITI and management fees) and don't need any repairs.

Is there any other strategy I could use to offload these properties at a minimum of breaking even or just a tiny bit of a profit?  

I am currently looking for MFH's in CA and would also consider an exchange or other unique options.  Please advise!

 Is there an address for each of the properties and any meaningful financials?

Post: Evaluating Market Pricing

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Originally posted by @Kellis Landrum:

Hey Gang,

...

I am looking to buy in Memphis (38115) from a turn key provider. I have found a few forum threads where people who have bought TK rentals have found when the go to sell them that the house is not worth what they paid for it ... I would like to avoid this if possible and wanted to get advice on how to properly determine the market value of the property....

So you are planning to buy a property regardless of what the MLS comps are?