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All Forum Posts by: Georgee Gilbert

Georgee Gilbert has started 10 posts and replied 51 times.

Post: Is it a bird in the hand or two in the bush?

Georgee GilbertPosted
  • Lathrup Village, MI
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Julie N.:

In CT we can’t collect anything in advance other than first months rent and security- it’s illegal to collect a year of rent upfront. I don’t know how it is in your state but you might want to check it out.

 Good point.

Post: Is it a bird in the hand or two in the bush?

Georgee GilbertPosted
  • Lathrup Village, MI
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Alexander Felice:

Anyone who wants to pay a year up front is an automatic dismissal for me.

2nd couple is better

actually, I would go and find 2 new options. Neither of these are ideal.

 Yes, I have moved on. I decided to choose patients and wait for the right tenant. Thanks

Post: Commercial Real Estate Purchase

Georgee GilbertPosted
  • Lathrup Village, MI
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Brian Schmelzlen:
Originally posted by @Georgee Gilbert:

My original post didn't include the 2nd paragraph. I'm still learning how to maneuver on this forum. 

Anywho, great questions.  This commercial build was not a part of my goal. My focus is residential. I so happen to see the build and  was thinking it may be a great opportunity. If it is a great opportunity 🤔 To be honest, I don't know the 1st  thing about commercial investment. I've been researching  but still not sure where to start. Any suggestions on books or sites   would be great. 

The asking price is $169,000. It's 911 sq ft plus a full finished basement and parking is great. The realtor said only one person was interested in purchasing since September and they withdrew and all other offers are for leasing but the owner is not interested they are really motivated to sale it.  

I have a little money set aside  but I'm hoping to obtain a loan. I'm not sure how to start my due diligence. That's what this post is for. Please advise. 

I would consider reading "Crushing It in Apartments and Commercial Real Estate" by Brian Murray.  It may give you some helpful advice, and I like it because it covers a lot of the fundamentals of commercial real estate investing.

The fact that the sellers sound motivated is great for you (as it is in all investing).  The lack of offers is a bit concerning, but that is probably due to the fact that it is a single tenant property so there is less room for forced appreciation and more concentrated risk.  The fact that you could be an owner-occupant as a fall-back is a great option though, so if the numbers work out you should consider it.

 Thank you for your input. Your words really motivate me to move forward. 

There are a lack of offers to purchase but not to lease. A friend suggested I ask the seller to get a signed lease agreement from one of these interest parties and make my offer based on that. If that works then even better. 

Post: Is it a bird in the hand or two in the bush?

Georgee GilbertPosted
  • Lathrup Village, MI
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Michele Fischer:

I'd lean toward the second couple, but I use a score sheet that would help me see the stronger applicant.  Not having an high enough (or any) income source is a big negative, although she may end up get alimony to bridge the gap.  Paying up front makes me nervous too, is there any chance this is a story and they are really drug dealers etc?  They are likely offering because they can't find a place to live.  The second applicant feels like less of a risk and a possible longer term tenant.  If their three jobs have been held for a year or more I would probably go with them.

Yeah, I'm leaning towards the 2nd couple.  Sometimes about the 1st one makes me nervous. We will see. Thanks. 

Post: Is it a bird in the hand or two in the bush?

Georgee GilbertPosted
  • Lathrup Village, MI
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Jerry W.:

@Georgee Gilbert, one more thing has occurred to me.  It has been my experience that recently divorced women tend to be pretty needy on things in rentals.  I do not mean to sound sexist, but most of the time it is the guys who tighten up the loose screw or fix the garbage disposal when it locks up.  There might be more requests for maintenance issues like loose hinges or sticky door knobs.  You might see if your impressions from talking to them help in this possible regard.

Rotfl 😂!  Yeap, I see it already just from talking to them. They made some request that made me raise an eyebrow ðŸ™„   I think you called it. 

Post: Is it a bird in the hand or two in the bush?

Georgee GilbertPosted
  • Lathrup Village, MI
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Jerry W.:

@Georgee Gilbert, I would see what the past landlords said about them and their references.  If you are undecided based on income maybe that will help.  It is hard to give advice without meeting either of them.  Either way it is nice to have choices.  Good luck.

Yes, that's the plan for the couple but the two roommates are currently in homes they were/are buying with their spouses they are divorcing. So they don't have past landlords, just mortgages.  Thanks Jerry!

Post: Commercial Realtor or not

Georgee GilbertPosted
  • Lathrup Village, MI
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Ryan Smyth:
Originally posted by @Brie Schmidt:

@Georgee Gilbert - Is the property listed?  If so the agent that showed you the property would be owed the commission.  So even if you use someone else and close with them, the original agent can sue and get it.  Then depending on your contract, you could owe the second agent.  

I would ask about her experience in this property type, if you do not feel comfortable with the answer then go to the original agent and explain that you do not feel appropriately represented.  

 This assumes she signed a buyer rep agreement with the original agent?  If the original agent showed the property but contributed nothing else and had no buyer rep agreement in place, one could legally argue she was not the procuring cause at this point in time - this is typically on a case by case basis.

Georgee, your best course of action is the one you’re taking.  Be transparent.  Then, get a commercial broker for any further commercial transactions.  Residential agents usually aren’t very well versed in commercial -  it’s a whole different beast.

I have not signed any agreements with anyone. I have only talked to the Lead agent over the phone who has "assigned" one of her agents to me (without me knowing). The assigned agent is the agent that I viewed the commercial property with. Tmw I will talk with the lead agent. If I don't like what I hear maybe I will make a deal to do my next residential property with her. 

Post: Is it a bird in the hand or two in the bush?

Georgee GilbertPosted
  • Lathrup Village, MI
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 6

Which is the better  candidate? 

I have a applicant who is offering to pay one year up front in cash for rent. She is getting a divorce and she doesn't have a job. Her roommate to be is getting a divorce as well and doesn't meet the income requirement (shy by $600). She has been on her job for over 20 yrs and her credit score is over 700. They only want to sign a 18 month lease. 

Then I have a couple who want to rent for at lease 3 years maybe more. The boyfriend works two jobs. His 2nd job take him a little over the income requirement. He is recently divorced so his credit is in the low $600s and his girlfriend works as well.

Post: Commercial Realtor or not

Georgee GilbertPosted
  • Lathrup Village, MI
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 6

Thank you all for your input. I'm going to talk to the original agent I was referred to and express my concerns. For some reason I think she gives this other agent her overflow. Both agents are nice and the lead agent is very knowledgeable and helpful. I'm am also gonna look for a commercial broker I can just talk to and get some information from to help me with this journey. Thank you all again. 

Post: Commercial Realtor or not

Georgee GilbertPosted
  • Lathrup Village, MI
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Brie Schmidt:
Originally posted by @Georgee Gilbert:
Originally posted by @Brie Schmidt:
Originally posted by @Georgee Gilbert:

Is it best to use a commercial realtor for a commercial property or is a residential buyers agent good enough?  I've never purchase commercial and I don't want to miss anything during the process. 

 Depends on the agent.  Most residential agents are not familiar with investment properties, let alone commercial.  If you are only looking at 5+ units I would only use a commercial agent.  But if you are looking for 2+ units it would be ok to have 2 different agents.  Commercial is a different ballgame and most properties are not listed, it is relationship based.

Thanks for replying Brie. It's a store front stand alone one unit building.   

 Commercial agent - no brainer.  Residential agents are generally not trained on mixed use and storefront.  

Ok, so now the question is can you switch agents after they have shown you the property?  And if so how do you do it fairly? I really feel wired about it. The agent that my friend referred me to has me working with another agent. I though the agent that showed me the property was assistanting her but I find out today no she's one of her agents that I've been passed on to. For some reason I don't think she has as much experience and especially not in commercial real estate. I feel bad but I don't want her lack of experience to cost me money and frustration. Please advise.