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All Forum Posts by: Patrick Roane

Patrick Roane has started 8 posts and replied 39 times.

Post: This crazy housing market!

Patrick Roane
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  • Property Manager
  • Fox River Grove
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 9

Hi Tesho,

Yes- buying off market is ideal. Can't disagree with you there. We've had success w/various guerrilla marketing (ugly signs, cold calling- driving for dollars, etc) and we have some great relationships w/realtors. One of the best deals being a subject to- lease option deal we found using signs. 

Tesho, What strategies have been working best for you in this market?

Thanks.

Post: This crazy housing market!

Patrick Roane
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  • Property Manager
  • Fox River Grove
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 9

Russell,

Yeah. I agree. So that puts buyers in the unique position of having to compete either buy at the peak (have we see the peak?) now or wait for the market to cool but have to pay higher rates.

Hmmm..

Post: This crazy housing market!

Patrick Roane
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  • Property Manager
  • Fox River Grove
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 9

Hey folks,

Just want to get a sense for what you all think about the housing market right now .. it seems everywhere people are bidding up, multiple offers everywhere, insane housing shortage, building material costs through the roof.. to say we are in a hot market right now is to put in mildly.

What is your sense on where the market is heading? Do we chase deals as prices continue to go up? What strategies have been working best for you in this "sellers market"?

Thank you.

Pat & Mirela

Post: (-) cash flow properties have me wondering - what am I missing?

Patrick Roane
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  • Property Manager
  • Fox River Grove
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 9

@Nathan G.

Hi Nathan, regarding your storage investment, I've always wanted to get involved with storage but the barrier to entry seems a bit more challenging than SFH or Duplex, etc

What are your thoughts?

Thanks!

Beginner.

Post: Johnson City, TN Investment Properties

Patrick Roane
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  • Property Manager
  • Fox River Grove
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 9

Keep keep us posted if you find anything under market. We would be interested in taking a look at what you have. We are out of state investors living in the Bay area of California right now. Thanks.

Post: Looking for GAP funding for project in Stockton California ... !!

Patrick Roane
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  • Property Manager
  • Fox River Grove
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 9

Hey everybody .. just a quick update on progress. We are still looking and are now working on getting our financing together. We've been working with Phillip, whom I would recommend to anyone who is interested in either conventional or investor financing. Anyway, I'll let you know when we get our first (of many) investor properties under contract. Reach out to me if you have any questions or ideas! 

Many 

Thanks.

Post: Looking for GAP funding for project in Stockton California ... !!

Patrick Roane
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  • Property Manager
  • Fox River Grove
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 9
Originally posted by @Kyle J.:

Hey @Patrick Roane.  It might help if you narrowed down whether your focus was on flipping or renting out the property because that would certainly affect how you finish out the remodel, your scope of work, and ultimately your budget.  For example, you wouldn't put the same finishes in a house that you were going to re-sell, also into a house that you were going to hold as a rental.  At least not in the area where this house is located. 

I figured out which house you're talking about and took a look at some photos of it.  Looks like it needs flooring, paint, countertops, cabinet refinishing (or replacement), roof repair, dry rot repair, maybe foundation repair, lots of wall repair, and possibly plumbing/electrical repair (nothing can be seen in the photos but common in that area).

I agree with @Dylan Vargas that there is no money to be made in flipping this property based on your numbers.  So I wouldn't pursue that.

I also don't see how it'd be a good BRRRR because it sounds like you'd need to borrow all of the money for the purchase, down payment and rehab costs. The first hurdle with that would be finding someone willing to loan you the down payment and rehab costs when you have no skin in the game and they'd have to be in second position behind the conventional loan. But even if you found someone willing to do that, the whole idea of doing a BRRRR is that, once you're done with the rehab, you rent it out and then refinance to pay back your investor(s). However, if you don't have any equity in the property because you're leveraged at 100% LTV, there's no way to refinance out of your initial loans and pay anyone back. See what I mean?

You would either need to be coming in with some of your own money, buying the property well under market, and/or increasing the value of the property well over what you're putting into it after you're done with the remodel. It doesn't sound like any of those things would be happening here.

Hello Kyle, Thank you for your in depth response here. Yes, I agree with you synopsis and feel that unless we can get this house under contract for way below their asking price ie. 160-170 range .. this is a no deal. I'm not sure why the bank is being so rigid with their asking price when so much work needs to be done to this property. For this deal to work, we'd also need to reduce our repair costs to something around 10k .. which would be difficult if not impossible to accomplish. We'll see. Meanwhile, we keep looking!

Post: Looking for GAP funding for project in Stockton California ... !!

Patrick Roane
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  • Property Manager
  • Fox River Grove
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 9
Originally posted by @Dylan Vargas:

@Patrick Roane Welcome! Are you planning on flipping this property? If so then this deal is not good and a potential disaster. If buy and hold you are risking a lot for possibly 20k in equity. I am basing my thoughts on the ARV you stated, purchase price and rehab costs. Obviously in a flip you would have closing costs, commissions etc. Even purchasing would have closing costs etc. Good luck and keep us posted.

Hi Dylan.. I figured these would be the kind of responses I would get from this potential deal. But I wanted to float it out there to be sure about what my gut was telling me. Unless we can get this place under contract for much less then what I think they'd be willing to sell it for- you are right. The number just don't make sense. 

Thank you for your response!

Post: Looking for GAP funding for project in Stockton California ... !!

Patrick Roane
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  • Property Manager
  • Fox River Grove
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 9

Hello out there to all of you brave souls! 

We are new to the game and have been looking at potential flip and or BRRRR opportunities in the Stockton Lodi area of Northern California. We found a bank owned property 3/2 SFR in a better part of Stockton that needs around 30k of work. Asking price is 207K and the ARV is around 250K. We plan to offer around 200k

We are thinking about getting a conventional loan at 80% but need to come up with the 20% down plus the money to fix it up- this is where we are having a challenge. 

Any recommendations as to how we may be able to either finance or somehow come up with the 20% plus the 30k in renovations costs?

Thank you!

Post: Analyzing a property - New investor

Patrick Roane
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  • Property Manager
  • Fox River Grove
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 9

Hi Toree! Looks like you've received some super informative responses to your first potential deal- nice! I would keep plugging and look for a 10-15% return on your investment (if it's a flip).. otherwise, if you want to rent it out, make sure you are cash flowing at least $150/month after the mortgage is paid. Keep us posted!