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All Forum Posts by: Cameron Riley

Cameron Riley has started 90 posts and replied 527 times.

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118

@Joe Splitrock

Don’t assume things as well, as a note.

Would never blindly take money from an applicant. The point is to find the best fit tenant.

We pay a third party to look at every application

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118

@Theresa Harris

A third party person will check every single application

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118

@Russell Brazil

Rent is fair market. I only accept section 8 tenants anyways but we have TONS who try to come and apply..

Just never know when to stop letting people apply

Once I hit 10 apps should I cut it off?

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @JD Martin:

Simple answer: yes, it's unethical. If you don't have a pre-screening process already in place to weed out people who have no shot then you are simply using the application process as a revenue generator. I would consider that unethical if not downright illegal. We pre-screen for free and then Transunion (or, lately Zillow) collect fees for the credit/background checks. The application is not the point to us, the successful tenant is. If I had that many paid applicants I would seriously revisit my screening process or my rent levels. 

True, I guess we do have a set screening in place. We clearly ask that you are a government sponsored tenant, have verified income and good reference  

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Nate Bell:

@Cameron Riley

It sounds like people have access to an online application without you sending it to them. I meet with folks, show them the unit, talk about the rules, ask about their lives, and then send them a link to the application. After I get about 3 in process, I start telling new prospects that I have applications in already and I’ll put them on a list in case they all fall through.

There would never be a scenario where I’d receive 25 applications.

The first come first serve thing was tedious... So I do the four hour showing window and let the people who have appointments to come see the unit, apply. I just want to know, if I am getting heavy interest when Should I cut it off?  

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

I don't know any landlord who actually does full screening that makes money from applications. All my application fee goes towards the credit and background check. On top of that I have time verifying references and employment, so each applicant costs me more than I get. I view applications like acquiring customers in any other business - there is a cost. For that reason I do pre-screening and I accept first qualified applicant. I rarely get more than two applicants, just because of my process.

Since you are asking if it is unethical, it leads me to believe you are collecting money and not even screening people. Maybe you look through the stack and pick a good one. I am not sure what your process is, but if you are not screening people, you should not be charging people. If someone has no chance of getting approved, don't take their money. Section 8 people are on a fixed income, so you are taking from the poorest people during a pandemic.

 We have clear standards. We are looking for people with good references, Government sponsored incomes, no criminal activity

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Jon Kelly:

@Cameron Riley 20-25 applications with fees is excessive. If most of these applicants are qualified, then increase your rent. 

I would make sure you tell the applicants how many other applications you received. I would also return the app fees for any applicants you don't screen. For example, if you decide to rent to applicant #6, only keep the fees for the first 6 applicants. 

On your journey towards being a real estate mogul, these $25 application fees are peanuts. Do the right thing and return the fees for any applicants you did not seriously consider. 

Yeah, we have to pay someone to stand at the property during the showing and so on.... It takes effort, money and man hours to conduct it. So 25 bucks seems fair, especially when we pay a third party to run the backgrounds... 

- Should I cut it off at 10-12 applicants? 

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Jaquetta T Ragland:

@Cameron Riley can you accept the application fees in batches so you’re not accepting everyone’s application fees at once?

We do a showing window and so on... Plus, I think it is GOOD to have a batch of 6-10 applications in hopes to get great tenant

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Jake Drappi:

@Cameron Riley learned this in business. If you have to ask, then you already know the answer.

Eh, I see what your poking at but ultimately asking questions is the entire basis of human existence. I knew nothing about science until I asked the professor lol 

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Michael Noto:

As long as people know they will be competing against other applications when they apply I see nothing wrong with it. 

Heres my process, let me know any updated thoughts you have.. 

- I have a HOT rental market, many people looking for houses.

- I do a 2-4 hour appointment window and have everyone that is interested come in that window, I accept the applications and 25.00 dollar fee. I send it to a third party to review ( third party person who works in a property management office ) she reviews the entire batch of applicants and sends back which one is the best fit for the unit. 

So, should I cut it off at 10-12 applicants? Maybe say to prospective renters " We have a set limit of 12 applications per unit "