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All Forum Posts by: Cameron Riley

Cameron Riley has started 90 posts and replied 527 times.

Post: Do you put the rental criteria in the LISTING?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118

- What would be the benefit to doing so? 

- why or why not did you decide to start posting the criteria in the listing

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Bryant K.:

So long as you arent collecting the fees without running the applicant through the screening process, i don't think it's over kill. At first i thought it was a high number of applications but in my area if you advertise that you're looking for a section 8 tenant you'll usually get a flood of applications

Every applicant gets ran and Yeah we get floods. So should I cut it off at 10-15 applicants?

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Jim K.:

@Cameron Riley

If you're renting apartments that are in such high demand and the people you actually want to rent to are handing over their money like that, well, you're charging what the market will bear.

I, personally, suspect I would reliably land crappy tenants and/or convert possibly good tenants to terrible tenants with that approach in my C-class long-term rental properties, for a bunch of reasons. If your mileage differs, then you should do it.

If people are willing to play the lottery for the bare OPPORTUNITY to apply for an apartment, that's their business.

 How many apps do you take?

Post: What is your screening/rental criteria for C-Class and D UNITS???

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118

Credit score doesn't really matter, when renting in the HOODS, or urban centers in lower income...

With that being said, What is your clear cut criteria for C class and D class units? 

- No violent felonies 

- No more than 2 Animals 

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
Originally posted by @Cameron Riley:
Originally posted by @Caleb Johnson:

Hey Cameron, I think that is a great way to make some money. I don't necessarily think it is unethical, as long as the amount isn't more the $25. This amount might just be because of the area that I am in. If you are in a more expensive market, like CA, then that is subject to change. Bottom line, I wouldn't have a high application fee just so I can make some money on peoples applications. Maybe you want to host an open house so people can see the place and know if they even like it before they pay an application fee. That way you weed some people out and you are still giving them the opportunity to see the place without paying you. 

In conclusion, I think it is a great way to make some extra money and don't think it is unethical. As long as you are making sure people know that just because you give them an application and they pay you money, doesn't mean they will get the place. I don't think there is any laws that prohibit from excessive app fees or the amount you can hand out. But I don't know your state, so look into that yourself. 

Hope this gave you another perspective. -Caleb

 Loved this reply, this is essentially what happens to us, due to high interest. Not my fault 20 people want to apply lol. Might as well take that fee

 So what you are saying is, might as well take money from poor people for my own gain. Worse yet you think it is funny. This is why landlords get called names, because bad actors take advantage of people. I encourage you to hold yourself and your business to a higher standard. There are several things you could do:

1. You could simply stop taking applications after 5 or even 10. There is no reason to take 20 with your low qualification standards.

2. You could use a "first qualified" approval method and tell everyone "you can apply but there are X number of people in line in front of you, so make sure you wan to pay. Honestly with your listed qualification standards, anyone on Section 8 would meet your standards anyway.

3. You could refund money to anyone you chose not to screen. 

Just a different view and I appreciated it. 

If it was UP TO ME, I would NEVER do showings in the first place lol. They suck. They waste time. People don't show up. That is what we will do though, to keep it ethical. Cut if off now at 12-15 at MOST.  

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Jake Drappi:
Originally posted by @Cameron Riley:
Originally posted by @Jake Drappi:

@Cameron Riley learned this in business. If you have to ask, then you already know the answer.

Eh, I see what your poking at but ultimately asking questions is the entire basis of human existence. I knew nothing about science until I asked the professor lol 

 I guess I should have been more specific.  When it comes to ethics in particular, if you have to ask, you know the answer.

 Fair enough. I am glad we have interest on our homes but yeah

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Caleb Johnson:

Hey Cameron, I think that is a great way to make some money. I don't necessarily think it is unethical, as long as the amount isn't more the $25. This amount might just be because of the area that I am in. If you are in a more expensive market, like CA, then that is subject to change. Bottom line, I wouldn't have a high application fee just so I can make some money on peoples applications. Maybe you want to host an open house so people can see the place and know if they even like it before they pay an application fee. That way you weed some people out and you are still giving them the opportunity to see the place without paying you. 

In conclusion, I think it is a great way to make some extra money and don't think it is unethical. As long as you are making sure people know that just because you give them an application and they pay you money, doesn't mean they will get the place. I don't think there is any laws that prohibit from excessive app fees or the amount you can hand out. But I don't know your state, so look into that yourself. 

Hope this gave you another perspective. -Caleb

 Loved this reply, this is essentially what happens to us, due to high interest. Not my fault 20 people want to apply lol. Might as well take that fee

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Jon Kelly:

@Cameron Riley You should cut if off after you have an appropriate amount of well qualified applicants. You only need 1 well qualified tenant... 

If 90% of your applicants are not qualified then make your application requirements clearer (# of references, minimum income, length of employment history, etc.)

If you are truly getting 20-25 well qualified tenants then increase your rent by 10-20%


 4k views on FB marketplace. Insane.

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
Originally posted by @Cameron Riley:

@Joe Splitrock

Don’t assume things as well, as a note.

Would never blindly take money from an applicant. The point is to find the best fit tenant.

We pay a third party to look at every application

 So if you are collecting only $25 and paying a third party, I wonder if that third party is doing credit and criminal background checks? In my experience the cost of running those checks by itself it $25. Maybe as a way to better filter people, change your application fee to $50 per applicant and run credit/criminal back ground checks. 

Another question is if you are pre-screening of any type? I just question why you are getting so many applicants. It seems either un-qualified people are applying or your rent is far too low.

 well,  I had 4k views on facebook marketplace and I tell people " Must have section 8 or partial government income to apply "

Post: Is it wrong to accept 20-25 applications with the fees?

Cameron RileyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phila, PA
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 118

@Jason C.

Essentially i try to think, if I went to an apartment and tried to rent it with my girlfriend and there were already 10 applications put in, I guess I would be pretty upset