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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 13 posts and replied 112 times.

Post: Does anyone see anything wrong with this plan about buying hotels?

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  • Orlando, FL
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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@?  no experience is going to be a rough go finding financing. line up your cash partners pay cash get a track record then refi and continue to buy

50% or more of hotels motels at those price points are owned by Patel families in the US. 

 Financing is no problem. I know of stated income lenders that will lend me 60-70% if I can show them I can afford the loan. Then, it is just the matter of saving up for the down payment.

If you know where I can find some cash partners, tell me where they are!!!

It doesn't matter who currently owns it, all that matters is that it is for sale. And, yes, the one I recently looked at was owned by an Indian family.

list price = $4.5 million

most recent annual revenue $1.7 million

most recent annual profit = $1.1 million

But... it had 140 rooms and only 70 were in use. They didn't have the money (or didn't care) to fix up the other 70, so I could make it even more profitable.

Post: How does money laundering work in a real estate investment firm?

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  • Orlando, FL
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I AM NOT ASKING FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL! Lol.

I used to know someone whose dad owned a real estate investment firm that had 5.5 billion of assets.

They told me that there is a lot of money laundering that goes on.

How exactly does this work? Who launders it and how? If I had a business like that, I would think I would keep track of everything so that nothing is stolen.

I hope this isn't against the forum rules. I'm not asking for advice on how to do this, I'm just wondering how it works and how it happens.

Post: Does anyone see anything wrong with this plan about buying hotels?

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  • Orlando, FL
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This is fast forwarding abut 5 years until I can have the down payment and qualify for a loan for a hotel. I would be looking at hotels in the $4 million dollar range. Currently, there are hotels at this price that profit about $1 million per year.

I will do this once. Then, I will use the income to save for more down payments and qualify for more loans to buy hotels that are slightly larger. I will continuously work my way up until, 30 years from now, I am buying $300 million dollar hotels.

What do you think?

I know lenders that work on stated income, so I do not need two years of tax returns to show a bank.

Post: Do you see anything potentially wrong with this plan for residential new construction?

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  • Orlando, FL
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Originally posted by @Karen Margrave:

@Account Closed We can chase this rabbit around in circles forever.  The fact the tax records show a dollar value, means NOTHING in relation to what the actual value of the land is. 

There is no way one person alone is going to put up drywall in a house in a few days. , AND DO A GOOD JOB. The process of getting building permits in California is far harder than probably anywhere else in the country, and for someone inexperienced, it would probably take years. 

Though you CAN build as an owner/builder, not many people want to buy from an owner/builder. There are not the same warranties on the construction as there is when a licensed contractor builds it, and few protections. How would anyone have a clue as to what quality of construction there is if you have no track record?

The truth of the matter is, you may own property in Florida that you picked up dirt cheap, but that doesn't mean it would be marketable once developed. If after researching the market you find there is a demand for housing in the area where you own land, and manufactured homes are allowable, that may indeed be a good route for you. 

 As to manufactured housing,you will need to check further into their viability in Florida, with depending on them meeting the standards for hurricanes, etc. 

Good luck to you! 

The building department inspects everything to make sure it's up to code. That is the surety that the buyer has.

You are one of the classic "if it's so easy, why doesn't everyone do it," people that every entrepreneur is warned not to listen to.

I doubt it takes years to get a building permit unless that state is run by illiterate idiots. There is no reason for that. 

I haven't bought the land in Florida yet, but the TRUTH OF THE MATTER is that a house just sold on a neighboring property for $125,000 in April. On a $3,500, 0.33 acre parcel, just like mine will be. That is the TRUTH OF THE MATTER.

Can't do it in a few days? Okay, a week.

Post: Do you see anything potentially wrong with this plan for residential new construction?

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  • Orlando, FL
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Originally posted by @Jeff Pollack:

What about the fact that I'm not buying that property. I'm buying one for $20,000 outside the city limits. And like I said.... even if my numbers were off my $300,000... that still leaves $240,000 of profit. Not bad for 3-4 months. Aka about $1 million per year.

If you're buying a half acre of land in CA for $20k then you are going to be so far outside the city limits of San Jose that you might as well stay in Florida.  Your newly built house will be worth several hundred thousand less than the $700k you are penciling in.

Good luck!

 And didn't I already say that even if I was off by $300k, that is still $240,000 of profit?

Who said anything about a half acre?

And even if the San Jose area doesn't work, there are plenty of other areas. Colorado, other areas in Florida, other areas in California, Connecticut, Washington... I could go on.....

Why does it take so long to get a building permit in California? Is the state run by idiots?

Post: What happens to apartment rental rates during a recession?

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During a recession, like that of 2007, what happens to apartment complexes and their rental rates?

Obviously, the housing market collapses because people lose their jobs and can't buy houses. But people still need a place to stay.

I once heard that rental rates actually increase during a recession because the demand for rental housing increases (because no one is buying houses). Is this true?

No matter how bad the recession/depression, people still need a place to live.

Post: Are hotels always more profitable than apartment complexes?

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  • Orlando, FL
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Originally posted by @Al Wilson:
Good question. What do you mean by "profits $1.1 million per year"? Is that the annual revenue from the hotel operation?

 Revenue is $1.7 million. Profit is $1.1 million.

Post: Are hotels always more profitable than apartment complexes?

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Originally posted by @Joel Owens:

Hotels get hit really hard during a downturn. Businesses cut back and travel spending for their workers and the population at large has less spendable income so either doesn't take  a vacation at all or stays close to home.

REVPAR and occupancy levels are key to a hotels profitability. Running the business is much more management intensive.

With the economy coming back and new business starts up more people are traveling again.

Yes, but I think despite the hit that hotels take during a recession, a hotel might be preferable to an apartment complex. The way I see it, it is basically the same building (how many apartment complexes have been converted to hotels and vice versa), but when the hotel is doing good, the REVPAR of a hotel is so much greater than that of an apartment complex.

Do you know what happens to apartment complexes during a downturn? I don't. Since people are losing their job and thus their houses, what happens to apartment rental rates? Apartment housing is not a discretionary item like hotel rooms are. People NEED a place to live even when the economy is in recession.

Post: Are hotels always more profitable than apartment complexes?

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  • Orlando, FL
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Originally posted by @Al Williamson:

I think this is an apples to oranges comparison. The hotel's traffic count and location have everything to do with its profitability. The hotel's bar, restaurant, parking fees, and affiliate arrangements are counted in its bottom line. Hotels spike their prices when conventions come to town.

I don't know if that residential apartment complex is operating like a commercial business. All apartment have the potential to be more savvy, but the status quo apartment has lots of room for innovative asset management.

 In your opinion, how can apartment complexes be more savvy? How can they be more innovative. I do know that hotels have to pay an extra tax (something like 0.5%) because their tenants are "transient," (under 6 months), in the State of Florida and most likely other states as well.

Post: Do you see anything potentially wrong with this plan for residential new construction?

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Originally posted by @Jeff Pollack:

@Account Closed

The lot alone would cost me $350,000? Really because according to the Santa Clara County Assessor, the land under 365 Serrano Ave. is valued at $24,965.... you were off by about $325,000. Plus, I would build outside the city limits anyway. Land is just land. It doesn't matter what it's officially appraised at.

Exactly!  It does not matter what the land is appraised at.  That property you site as having a land value of $25k has not changed hands in almost 30 years.  Owing to Prop 13, its assessed value in 1988 (the last time the property changed hands) could only be increased by at most 2% per year, which is why the assessed land value is so low today.  There is no reassessment of base year value unless the property is sold.  So the County assessed value is meaningless.  The fact is that for you or anybody else buying that amount of land in that area the cost will be about $350k on a good day.  I'm guessing your $540k profit changes a tad if the cost of land is $350k vs $3500.  

But hey, don't let me confuse you with facts.  Go for it!     

 and cost of construction would be well over the $73,000 it cost in Florida. From what I've been looking into since I got into this post... I would up that to between $95k-$110k. And it would sell for a heck of a lot more than that.