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All Forum Posts by: Evan Lieb

Evan Lieb has started 2 posts and replied 4 times.

Post: Advice for buying vs. renting in my situation

Evan LiebPosted
  • South Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 2

*Mods, please let me know if this is the wrong forum* 

To summarize my situation; I’m getting a divorce and could move anywhere but I’d like to move myself into a better school district for my two kids. Their mom has always wanted to get them into a better district so we agree on this idea. I still live in the family house in Pasadena (I don’t have title to it) and want to move to South Pasadena about 7 miles away where the public schools are fantastic. We’d split time with the kids between those two cities.

Anyway, my options in South Pasadena for homes are $850-950k 3-bedroom condos or $1M-$1.3M 3-bedroom homes. My options for apartments there are $2,800-$3,800/month 3-bedroom homes. My hesitation for buying is based on how hot/overpriced I see the SoCal market is and potentially how long it would take to actually move in (need to do this by August for schools). I've hated the idea of renting since forever though, I'd much rather house hack via an ADU in the back or something, but unfortunately I just don't see that as possible given the options in that location plus need for great public schools.

Anyway, I’ve done the math and come to varying conclusions. For example, I could potentially be wealthier buying a home even after all the additional maintenance and closing costs of buying and selling it if I were to, say, sell it after 5 years and assumed a 5% annual appreciation, which is what this area yields. That assumes a lot of things, like actually *wanting* to move, the market recovering enough to actually sell for that higher price as I’m making an educated guess there will be a recession at some point in the next 5 years, etc. Then there’s the other scenario of renting, where all the money I would have spent on the downpayments and closing costs of buying and selling is instead plowed into an index fund which could very well yield 15% instead of 10% over the next 5 years. So lots of potential futures to consider.

Anyway, I wanted to ask people’s opinions on what I imagine is a scenario only divorcees with kids ever really think about but I would really appreciate any and all perspectives. Thank you!

Post: Buy (rent out) and hold is dead....

Evan LiebPosted
  • South Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Peter Tverdov:

I can somewhat understand someone who buys a NNN leased commercial property with a 4-5% cap rate as a way to park inherited money but I cannot understand people buying multi-family buildings at a 4-5% cap rate (who then have to self-manage the building themselves!). I just don't know how these people are making money unless they're hoping to continue to see appreciation, which is a big gamble. Good time to sell if you can get someone to buy for a 4 or 5 cap IMO.

Well of course that's not the whole story, as a 5% cap rate doesn't factor in how depreciation and mortgage interest deductions allow you to reduce your taxable income. Plus, with just a few years of tenant payments you'd be able to refi and cash out the difference to leverage yourself into another property, even if appreciation is 0%. So lots of ways to make 5% cap work. 

Post: Newb from SoCal/LA introducing myself

Evan LiebPosted
  • South Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 2
Awesome thanks Tony. Anyone else been to the Santa Monica meeting, how was it?

Post: Newb from SoCal/LA introducing myself

Evan LiebPosted
  • South Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 2

Great site, incredible amount of useful resources here, really glad I found this place.

Anyway, while my background is in IT (IT specialist & IT business owner based in Los Angeles since about 2001), my educational background is in economics and I've always been interested in RE, having grown up in SoCal and gotten my realtor’s license recently to eventually get some transactional experience. Currently looking to listen and learn so I'm ready to buy my first MF when the next recession hits, with as many units as possible as close to where I work/live as possible.

I see that there’s a meetup for UnUrbanCafe in Santa Monica every month? Sounds great, would love to talk shop with other SoCal folks. Thanks guys.