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All Forum Posts by: Evan Kraljic

Evan Kraljic has started 5 posts and replied 121 times.

Thanks @Jordan Moorhead ! Trying to make the most of these househacking opportunities while I can

First off I apologize for the crazy long post, but I don't post a lot of these, so I want to have some meat and potatoes in here when I do! 

Investment Info: Buy and hold duplex in Minneapolis, MN

Purchase Price: $300,000

Remodel Budget: ~$73k

Actual Cash Invested (outside construction loan): ~$22k

After Repair Value (via HELOC appraisal): 495,000 (460k on initial construction loan appraisal)

Monthly cash flow: $664 (when I move out)

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I own two other duplexes in South Minneapolis where I implemented this same strategy of buying a property that was clearly underpriced given its location. I had just fulfilled the owner occupancy requirements from refinancing my primary so I wanted to find the next househack ASAP to minimize cash outlay on my next investment and start that 12 month timer once more.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

This deal was on the MLS. It had a steep price drop from 350k to 300k after just a couple weeks of being listed. One of the agents in my brokerage had the listing so I knew the sellers were motivated and wanted an easy transaction. I had no interest at 350k but when I walked through after the price cut I knew I had to have it. I didn't negotiate the price, gave them 305k with 5k closing costs covered.

I put in a 7 day inspection contingency but made it pass/fail so they knew I wouldn’t nickel and dime them. The house was not only vacant but also completely empty which was nice, so this was my first purchase where I didn’t bring in a professional inspector. I would still recommend getting an inspection done in almost all scenarios, but with it being vacant I had time to do a thorough inspection myself and unless there was some huge latent foundation damage that I missed in initial walkthrough there was no way I’d back out.

How did you finance this deal?

This was one of the coolest parts of the deal. My pre-approvals were for an FHA or 5% HFA preferred state of MN Conventional loan (higher income limit than HomePossible, but also higher interest rate). I think FHA inspection would have failed due to the condition of the property here and I wanted to save my FHA if possible, so I offered with the 5% conventional, which was accepted. But I remembered a conversation I had with an investor around 2 years ago about a construction loan specific for househackers that would work well here. Lender offers 85% of the ARV (based on scope of work you provide) to fund purchase, rehab budget, and closing costs. So we amended the contract with the new loan and it was all good.

To give an idea of the numbers, the initial ARV was 460k so they could fund 85% of that, 391k. My PA was for 300k and I had estimated around 50k for rehab (ended up being 61k), so even with closing costs I was well below the 391k number. So my new goal was refinancing at 80% LTV without bringing cash to close at the refi, so I'd have no PMI and a higher equity cushion in the deal. That would be purchase + rehab + closing costs all in at 368k or less.

This loan is awesome for fixer uppers that are going to be house hacks. The construction loan charges 5% interest only for up to an 11 month term.

How did you add value to the deal?

Every square foot of this place got new flooring and paint, that was a given. With this being a duplex, I ended up gutting 1 of the kitchens and 1 bathroom which wasn’t part of the original plan, but scope creep is inevitable with these old homes. All new trim save for a couple rooms, new light fixtures, stainless steel appliances, quartz countertops, yada yada. Pretty standard mid to high end remodel finishes, I added before and after pics at the end of this post, if you ever make it there! Haha

The major undertaking and something I hadn’t done before was a basement remodel where I added ~500 sq ft and an additional bedroom to 1 of the units, making it a 3 bed/1 bath. After the original construction loan and refi I decided to do this on the other unit (where I’m living) as well, though given the location of the furnace it ended up being around 325 extra sq ft on this side.

What was the outcome?

It felt like a 4 month sprint to get all the work done so I could close my refinance while interest rates were on their way up. I ended up closing the refinance on April 1st - if possible I always do the start of a new month, that way I don’t have a mortgage payment until June 1st, just another tidbit that most probably know, but if not then not ya know :)

My rate for an owner occupied duplex was 4.375% - locked on Feb 28. I spoke with my lender in April about what the rate would be in May and they mentioned 5.75% which might even be a little higher now.

My PITI payment on the 368k loan is $2501. I'm living in 1 unit, income for the other is $1975. My unit is also a 3 bed 1 bath and remodeled and I'm estimating market rent at $1925 for my unit given some slightly less desirables.

That puts total income at 3900. I pay the water/garbage bill for the house which typically runs ~$150/month for a duplex in Mpls, I'm allocating 15% expenses for vacancy/CapEx/maintenance, and I self manage so no PM fee here. Expense ratio may seem low but this place has a brand new roof, newer mechanicals (less than 5 years), and I just spent 4 months fixing the rest haha. With the PITI at 2501 that brings total expenses to 3236 for monthly cash flow of $664.

My initial rehab for the construction loan ended up costing 61k, so considering all closing costs and escrow on the refi my cash to close was ~10k for the refi (alas, the no money down deal eluded me). After I closed this I finished my side of the basement and spent ~12k on that for the additional bedroom and 325 finished sq ft.

The last step of this process was accessing some of the equity I built, which I did by utilizing a home equity line of credit at 90% LTV. The HELOC appraisal came in at 495k, so 90% of 495k minus a loan amount of 368k comes to a 77.5k LOC. I spoke with the appraiser and he said he went on the conservative side to make sure it would get through underwriting. I was optimistic that it might appraise in the mid-high 500s given that the 3 most recent duplexes in 55409 zip sold for 627k, 630k, and 720k, but they are definitely more desirable and in my opinion probably not worth their sticker price, so I don't have too many qualms over the appraisal. He did mention that it would be tough to justify my desired value given my purchase price in late 2021 and improvements that were made, which is fair. I don't think I deserve that high of an appraisal based on the work done, but if the bank was willing to give it to me I wouldn't say no to cheap money haha

Speaking of that, HELOCs are nice as they have an extremely low cost of capital - closing costs are only a couple hundred dollars and appraisal is the most costly part if you even need one (some lenders will offer desktop appraisals, or use a refi appraisal). HELOCs come with some risk, for sure, but you need capital to scale and it's a more advantageous way to tap into equity (on a primary residence) over selling and looking at a potential capital gains hit and other transaction costs. Given the fed's plan to raise interest rates, I would focus on using this HELOC in a short term scenario like a BRRRR or flip where I could pay it back with a sale or refi, because I don't want to have too much variable debt right now as most HELOCs are ARMs that track at some margin above prime rate. I've been paying 4% interest only (+ extra for principal) on a current HELOC, so even as rates go up it's still a far cheaper option than hard/private money.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Lots of challenges here but they all boiled down to one common theme, trying to move too fast. When dealing with the city inspector for the basement remodel, the contractor I used did not draw up detailed enough plans which would have raised concerns over specific parts of code with headroom by stairs, landing requirements, etc. I was impatient and wanting to start so I didn’t ask my contractor to redo plans, hoping things would end up okay during rough-in inspection. We failed miserably and I ended up needing to shift the stairs back for headroom/landing requirements, bring in a structural engineer to sign off on work, redoing the plumbing rough-in for tub for fire wall separation between units, constructing a new 1 hr fire wall in basement, etc. Never a good time to hear this but it would have been a lot better during the plan submission phase, and saved time in the long run. Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.

I definitely learned some lessons too and will give a few of the major ones. Conservative underwriting and stress testing deals is huge. In Fall 2021 my interest rate would have been around 3% on this deal. I underwrote at 3.25% because conventional wisdom was that the fed was going to raise rates starting in the spring but maybe around 25 bps per quarter (LOL). I closed at 4.375 but had I went a month or so longer on rehab that could have easily ended up a lot higher. At 5.75% my lender mentioned my monthly cash flow would drop down to $310/month.

I’m finally getting around to the importance of hiring more work out as this rehab really took a toll on me. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed most of my time spent these past 2 years rehabbing this project and others, but there’s always a cost to that time spent. Many weeks working 70-80 hours (that’s including 40 hrs from my W2 job) doesn’t leave a lot of time to grow elsewhere in my life. I’ve been able to work alongside my parents a lot which is awesome, but apart from that all the time dedicated does feel very one track minded towards trying to build wealth, for better or worse. Especially now with my real estate license, if/when I do take clients on I can’t expect to DIY rehab projects and represent them to the fullest while I still have a W2 job (maybe I just need to lose the W2? lol). Anyhow, no regrets on that time spent as it got me into a situation financially where I can even think about hiring this work out now. Just trying to leave a little more margin in my life for health, relationships, other hobbies, etc. I know this gets talked about all the time with entrepreneurs but figured I’d say my piece.

Lastly, I’m also slowly shifting my mindset from buy and hold to looking at the velocity of money. With how much home prices have gone up relative to rents it’s always good to look at your return on equity to see if you’re still getting a good return, or if you could generate a higher return elsewhere if you sold. With that said, it’s tough to find a good yield right now at higher residential interest rates, so I’m at least entertaining other asset classes now such as a small apt. buildings or investing outside my home market. Regardless, buy and hold with small multifamily is great but I’m always trying to grow and take on new challenges. I certainly wouldn’t say I’ve mastered remodeling duplexes after doing just 3 of them, but I think I’m ready to take on something bigger if the opportunity presents itself, or I hunt one down :)

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Agent: This was the first deal I closed with my real estate license :)

Lender: Falcon National Bank for the construction loan portion, Kim Peterson with Luminate for the refinance. Mike Kadier at TruStone Financial Credit Union for HELOC

Contractors: One I'd highly recommend for Egress Window is Doston Holdings LLC. But others include plumber, HVAC, electrician, quartz countertops, hardwood floor refinisher, carpet, drywall, etc. I worked with a lot here so just PM me if interested.

Post: Interest rates impact on R/E Investing Market

Evan KraljicPosted
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I'm not in the market currently but if I was, I would be tightening the belt. Everyone knows the 1% rule, but when interest rates were at 3% often time you could get pretty good cash flow at below 1% properties (obviously dependent on all your other line items as well). The issue now is that at 5+% interest you do probably need to be back at the 1% rule or higher, but property prices have still gone up in 2022 and haven't seen any adjustment in the twin cities yet, and while rents have gone up they've still lagged behind housing prices, and definitely housing affordability (aka monthly payment) by a lot. 

Other things you can look at is having multiple outs or strategies at play for you. Maybe you buy a marginal cash flow deal but the price is below market for the area so you know there's a an equity spread if you can fix it up and rent it at market rates or above. I don't like buying for appreciation where you're relying solely on the market to boost your price, but if you're forcing appreciation through a remodel and you have the comps to support the new value, then that's a much larger driving force to creating wealth than cash flow on it's own. Or maybe you buy near a hospital and fix up/furnish your unit so you can rent to travelling nurses, that's another higher cash flow option as well. I would always run the #s conservatively so look at current market rents for long term rentals, in case you find you want the investment to be more passive.

Post: New Real Estate Investor in Minneapolis, MN

Evan KraljicPosted
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Honestly couldn't have said it better than @Jeff Schemmel. On one hand, I'd never want to limit someone who wants to scale quickly, but I'm going to steal a quote I saw a different local investor post: "Don't try to "make it" too fast, experience mitigates risk." 

While I think it's truly awesome how many people have been able to build incredible wealth recently by riding the wave of mass real estate appreciation, the tailwinds of historically low interest rates are behind us so I think going with a low risk strategy like house hacking is 100% the best way to get in the game. You're learning a ton as Jeff mentioned, getting exposure to all the benefits real estate has to offer at an extremely low initial investment, plus it's also providing the roof over your head so even if you aren't living for free right off the bat, you can still save a lot of money by not having to pay rent. 

Get comfortable running the numbers and combing over the MLS listings. Over time, it will become second nature and when you see something that looks like a deal you can jump on it quickly. My strategy with investing has been simple at its core - buying undervalued properties that need a lot of work and fixing them up to meet/exceed the rest of the neighborhood. How do I know something is undervalued? If there's a duplex that's listed for 250k in a neighborhood where they normally sell for 350k, that's a potential diamond in the rough (verify square footage and bed/bath counts are similar with your comps, among other things). Of course, there's probably a reason it's undervalued - below market rents, deferred maintenance, landlord pays utilities, etc., but those are all problems you can solve, you just have to learn if the juice is worth the squeeze.

Post: Xcel on the rise and through the roof?

Evan KraljicPosted
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Hmm, I know gas prices have gone up a lot but that is centerpoint, not Xcel. I checked my Xcel bill and it still looks like they are charging between 11 and 12 cents per kWh, which has been unchanged for me for awhile. Do you have electric heat then I presume? I would possibly recommend getting a home energy squad audit done to see where you can improve. They are pretty affordable (I think $70 when I got mine, or free if income qualifies) and you can learn a lot from them, plus they give free smaller energy efficiency upgrades and write out a plan detailing potential upgrades for you. 

Insulation is generally the best bang for your buck when it comes to ROI on utilities, from what I've heard. I got a whole attic insulated up to like R40 or R50 for around 1800, then got a 500 rebate from centerpoint. That is actually a rental where tenants pay the electric so I'm not sure how much I'm saving there, but I thought it was a worthwhile upgrade nonetheless

Post: First Time House-Hacker

Evan KraljicPosted
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Hi Reagan, sounds like you've got a good plan in place already. You should look into the HomePossible 5% down conventional loan and see if you qualify. The maximum income is 80% AMI which for Mpls is ~84k, I just did a blanket search for Rochester using this website and I'm seeing $77,280 there. The reason I like using this loan first is because due to the income limits, it would be difficult to qualify for a second mortgage using this loan, unless the properties are something like 200k or below, because otherwise the debt to income ratio (DTI) won't work as it is a freddie mac loan with a max DTI lower than FHA loans.

https://sf.freddiemac.com/work...

Overall, I would highly recommend going with a low down payment loan when house hacking even though you have a good amount saved up already. That liquidity will be huge if you want to do a value add renovation, covering maintenance/capex items, or for a down payment on a future property if you love real estate investing and want to start scaling a little quicker!

Price point will be dependent on market and how large of a payment you're willing to stomach for the first deal. I will say personally I went with a low cost property (236k, purchased at end of 2019) and while I don't regret it, now that I understand leverage more I think it makes sense to go with a more expensive property with the a low down payment loan, provided the numbers still work for you cash flow wise. Will allow you to control more real estate from your upfront capital, more loans getting paid down from the tenant's rent. 

Of course, the past couple years had been a red hot market with record low interest rates where a hypothetical 4plex worth 700-800k, you could have been getting roughly $1000/month in principal paydown - which is a great return on your investment. Rates have since gone up, north of 4% now, so that principal paydown isn't going to be quite as lucrative right off the bat.

I don't know the market in Rochester very well so I'd recommend reaching out to a local agent who also invests in the area, can find a property that suits you well location and price point wise, also set expectations for the first deal. It can be tough to cash flow with a down payment that low but still doable with the right property and strategy. Good luck! Also if you need a loan officer I have some recommendations there so feel free to message me. 

Post: Using Construction Loans for No Money Down Rehabs w/Evan Kraljic

Evan KraljicPosted
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Honored to be a host for my favorite local investor group!! Still busy finishing up the remodel for now but I'll get a handout prepared closer to the event

Post: First Moves to Generational Wealth

Evan KraljicPosted
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Congrats on already taking the initiative to get your real estate license! I would highly recommend doing a house hack to start out, especially if you plan to use your license to help investors. You can learn a lot from BP but the best experience you'll get is from buying that first house hack, and learning the market specifics of owning rental properties in Mpls/St. Paul which you can then pass on to your investor clients. Plus it sounds like you have the entrepreneurial spirit and want to get into real estate very soon, and househacking is great for that type of situation because ideally you will be greatly reducing your housing expense which can get you through lean months, which will be more likely when starting out a building up a client base/reputation. 

A big question would be do you plan to get a W2 in the field of your college major once graduating or no? If not then you likely wouldn't qualify for a househack, at least in the traditional sense of utilizing a low down payment and low interest rate 30 year fixed rate loan from Fannie/Freddie. There's plenty of other ways to buy real estate so you can still invest, I just think that loan product has the lowest barrier to entry and is how myself and many other investors got started. More tangible advice would be to speak to a loan officer where you'd like to buy a rental property ASAP, even if you can buy until May/June they will let you know any potential roadblocks they see that you can work on. There's a couple good ones I can recommend, @Tim Swierczek is one name you've probably come across since you've been on BP. 

My last advice is to join local investor groups, they give you a lot more market specific knowledge which is crucial once you've put in the work to self educate and learn the basics, so props there! I'm not sure I can promote facebook groups on here but the most active one is the Millennial Real Estate Investor Group which is MSP based and has ~3k/members in it. You can learn so much searching through the old posts in that group, I know I certainly did. It's a private group but I can send you an invite otherwise one of the admin @Alyssa Strom is fairly active on here. 

Post: Tenants' side of duplex won't stay warm in MN wint

Evan KraljicPosted
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Wow. Congrats on getting that resolved. I had an issue with boiler heating last year that wasn't nearly as stressful as yours and that was a pain, but damn, at least my tenants were gracious and recognized my efforts and providing space heaters in the meantime. So frustrating, but now you're better off for it and I reckon any maintenance calls with pale in comparison to that whole saga.

Post: First House Hack in Minneapolis!

Evan KraljicPosted
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Congrats @Tucker Mortier! I definitely think getting into a duplex in Windom for under 350k is a good buy! I'll be househacking a duplex just up the road from you in the Kingfield neighborhood this next year (moving in soon).

One thing I wanted to remark on from your post about wanting to move into a fourplex. So I've heard that it can be difficult to go up in unit counts when it comes to owner occupied financing (so it's easy to justify moving from a fourplex to a duplex, but not the other way around). When I moved from my first duplex into this next one I justified it to the underwriter by saying it was closer to my work, and I'd be living in a larger unit in a lower crime area. That didn't get any push back, but I wonder if it would have it it was a fourplex I was looking to move into. Anyhow, if there's anyone who can help you get into that next property it's Tim. 

@Tim Swierczek - Is it generally difficult to go up from a duplex to fourplex in a serial house hack situation, or not that hard to convince an underwriter? This question is partially self serving haha, but maybe it will help Tucker too if you guys haven't already discussed it.