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All Forum Posts by: Ethan Wagner

Ethan Wagner has started 4 posts and replied 37 times.

Post: Multifamily Deal Doesn't Add Up...

Ethan WagnerPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 14

@Matt Teegarden

Why would your email be deleted?

Post: Multifamily Deal Doesn't Add Up...

Ethan WagnerPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 14

@Ethan Wagner

Typo: expense ratio ~30% - 35%

Post: Multifamily Deal Doesn't Add Up...

Ethan WagnerPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 14

@Matt Teegarden

Just a couple things I noticed. The expenses are crazy crazy high. You should target ~30% - 30% expense ratio (expenses/revenue).

Also, the pro forma rents they have are most likely higher than what is in place because it's a value add deal and the goal is to Reno and then push rents.

I've never used the valuation calculators before, but I would trust my own math in excel more than that.

Post: Apartment Syndication - Limited Partner Payout

Ethan WagnerPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 14

@John Mazzella this would be detailed in the partnership agreement and negotiated. In general, most investors stay in the deal unless their shares are bought out or the asset is sold. Typically, once the investors get all of their accrued preferred return back and all of their capital, then there is a tier in the waterfall called "promote", where the LP's split any distributable cash with the GP. Splits vary but I've seen 50/50 and 70/30, depending on the equity the GP had to put in, as well as any guarantees the GP had to make on the project and financing recourse.

Post: Multi family equity?

Ethan WagnerPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 14

@Nicholas Rickman Nick, in theory yes, but not by too much. With that said, I think it is a question of how long the moratorium will last. We all know it is going to be temporary. Using a DCF model, you can project out hightened rent collections for a period of time, say a year. I surely wouldn't use a direct cap model to value the building based on in-place collections during a moratorium because that reduction in income is not perpetual.

Post: Hotel Conversions to Multifamily

Ethan WagnerPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 14

@Michael Herren I'm working on a 325 room hotel conversion right now. Feel free to ask me anything.

Post: Deal Review - Mid Atlantic

Ethan WagnerPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 14

@Jared Carpenter sure send me the info

Post: Does a commercial loan usually have repayment penalty?

Ethan WagnerPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 14

@Luke Lattimera prepayment penalty is very normal. The 5-yr reset is fairly common, especially with small community banks, but I wouldn't call that reset "normal". I would push back for a stepdown prepayment structure (4%, 3%, 3%, 2%,2%,2%, 1%, 1,1%,0%), especially with rates this low you will likely want to go full term until you refi anyways.

Post: Private Equity Structures

Ethan WagnerPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 14

@Angus Brooks I work for a large developer where we are doing deals $40 million+ on multifamily. We always do limited partnership structures.

You would be the general partner (GP), and would bring 3% - 7% of the required equity. You would manage the partnership for a 1% asset management fee, which includes doing all of the legwork from acquisition to disposition and refinances, and accounting. You could also charge an acquisition/ developer fee, usually 2-4% of the purchase price + capex. As the GP, you could hire a property manager and they would charge 3%, or, you could manage it yourself and charge 3%. There are many different ways to structure the waterfall, but typically under this structure there is a level called "promote". Promote occurs when your investors (limited partners or LPs) have received all of their preferred return and capital back. Once you hit the promote, the GP splits the distributable cash with the LP's, usually 50/50, but you can negotiate any split that you want.

The LP's are meant to be passive investors and will require a preferred rate of return (pref). Depending on the nature of the deal, and the type of limited partner investor (high net worth individual vs. institutional partner) the pref rate is usually 6-12%.

Like I said, the pref and promote splits are all negotiable. Also, the type of cash flow and how that gets applied to the waterfall is negotiable as well. I've seen deals where only cash flow from refinances or sales will pay capital balances and pref, while operating cash flow will only pay down accrued pref and the remainder gets split with the GP.

I hope this helps. I'm putting together deals for my company where we use this structure, but I am also using this on my own investments on a much smaller scale. If you have any questions please and hesitate to reach out.

Post: Raising private capital

Ethan WagnerPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 14

@Stetson Randolph maybe this is old school, but my firm uses excel mostly. We have our own accountants and everything though so excel might not work for your situation.