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All Forum Posts by: Ethan Gidcumb

Ethan Gidcumb has started 13 posts and replied 121 times.

Post: Cash flow is NOT king!

Ethan GidcumbPosted
  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 125
  • Votes 72
Quote from @Arn Cenedella:
Quote from @Ethan Gidcumb:
Quote from @Arn Cenedella:
Quote from @Ethan Gidcumb:

Hey Arn! I've spoken with investors who try to find a balance between cash flow and appreciation in their investments. In their history, they have scouted properties in places they believe will grow and create more equity in the property; while tying in what you mentioned of making an effort to get the property cash flowing.

Ethan: yes………both and.

One of my mandatory buy guidelines is: Does the property pay for itself? I take this to mean - does the property generate enough rental and other income to pay operational costs, debt service, a reserve fund and cash reserves (even when a downturn occurs or when an unexpected expense occurs)? If so, I consider the property “self-supporting” - meaning I invested a wad of cash but will never have to put another dollar into the property. That is a win for me. I own a property, it pays for itself, and maybe puts a little cash in my pocket - the amount of which increases over time as rents increase. I own appreciating real estate that doesn’t cost me a penny moving forward.

Just the way I do it. Others choose a different approach which is dandy fine.
Thanks for your insight Arn, its really helpful. I think I saw a response where you said you have over 1100 units of multifamily. Did I get that right? 

How did you start in real estate and get to where you are today?
My story is different than many.
I got out of grad school at the University of Michigan with a Masters Degree in Physical Chemistry of all things and returned to my SF Bay Area roots and went into residential real estate back in 1978. So real estate has been my adult profession and passion.
So I’ve been doing this a long time and that probably impacts my perspective on REI.

Yes I am general partner on 1100 apartments so I don’t own them individually but own them with my investors wherein I am the decision maker and in total control of the property and investment. In return, my Spark team and I will receive 20% to 25% of the total profit in the deal as compensation for finding the deal, financing the deal, raising the capital, operating the property and providing our passive investors a nice return with no active involvement. We send out quarterly distributions via ACH. 

It’s CASH FLOW with no effort.
Wow, that's really impressive and surprising that you got your master's and then went into real estate. 

Hey Dan! I will add to what Mark Munson mentioned. I could see a lender being concerned about any major renovations affecting the monthly income on the loan, (since it's based off that). But, if you have a 30 year loan, you eventually would need to do some bigger renovations.

Post: Multi-family Investors in Dallas, Tx

Ethan GidcumbPosted
  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 125
  • Votes 72

Hey Bradley! Some time ago I connected with a ton of Multifamily owners in the DFW area through two methods:

1) I cold-called owners by using a list I pulled from the MLS. In these calls, I quickly explained that I am not trying to sell/buy anything but looking for advice. The majority of people were extremely insightful and some even had some properties they were trying to sell, but weren't right for me.

2) For the second method, I would find a property I could see myself owning one day, then go to the county tax assessor's website to find the entity that owned the property, and then reach out to the owner of the entity if I could find their information. Again, I took a very casual approach and asked about how they got into the property, what their investing journey looked like, and what advice they could give me. 

From both of these methods, I increased my network dramatically, gained a ton of knowledge, and learned a lot about the DFW area and who the major players were in that market.

Post: DSCR or PML

Ethan GidcumbPosted
  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 125
  • Votes 72

Hey Anthony! Finding a PML for a DSCR loan should be easy since all of these properties cash flow, considering your comment about the rents. You would see an increase to the interest rate but I could see how it'd be a great option to pull funds from the current properties.

Hey Aarielle! Most people turn to hard money if they have trouble being qualified with a bank, (such as showing income, etc.), if the property is not bankable, or if they need a quick closing time. Its a great option if you are only concerned with being approved for an investment property but it's crucial that you have an exit strategy, (to get out of the hard money loan), and that you are prepared for the additional costs you will face with the increased rates.

Post: When housing prices will stabilize

Ethan GidcumbPosted
  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 125
  • Votes 72
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

to my way of thinking this is highly regional in nature and even city by city and could be neighborhood by neighborhood with many factors at play which include jobs  social issues

availability of product or lack thereof etc etc.

So if I'm understanding what you're saying, this data shouldn't be a major concern when investing, and I should put more focus on the analysis of my particular market?

Post: When housing prices will stabilize

Ethan GidcumbPosted
  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 125
  • Votes 72

Hey! I was listening to a podcast and read an article released by ATTOM and wanted some feedback from other investors. 

According to ATTOM's Q2 2023 U.S. Home Sales Report, profit margins on, "median-priced single-family home and condo sales" have increased to 47.7 percent in Q2; whereas, in Q1 we saw profit margins at 43.9 percent. ATTOM recorded Q2 as the first gain we have seen in home sales in a year. This data goes in hand with a podcast I was listening to from Housingwire Daily, where Selma Hepp explained that home prices have gone up around 40% since the pandemic, and were at a 60% increase at its peak. 

As an investor myself, I'm curious whether others think housing prices will continue to go down, or, if this recent increase will be the first of many?

https://www.attomdata.com/news...

https://www.housingwire.com/po...

Post: General Market indicators

Ethan GidcumbPosted
  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 125
  • Votes 72

I always liked using https://worldpopulationreview.... to look at population growth, average salary, etc. On a site like redfin, zillow, etc. you could try looking at the last 6 months of sales if you're interested in a certain market.

Post: Cash flow is NOT king!

Ethan GidcumbPosted
  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 125
  • Votes 72
Quote from @Arn Cenedella:
Quote from @Ethan Gidcumb:

Hey Arn! I've spoken with investors who try to find a balance between cash flow and appreciation in their investments. In their history, they have scouted properties in places they believe will grow and create more equity in the property; while tying in what you mentioned of making an effort to get the property cash flowing.

Ethan: yes………both and.

One of my mandatory buy guidelines is: Does the property pay for itself? I take this to mean - does the property generate enough rental and other income to pay operational costs, debt service, a reserve fund and cash reserves (even when a downturn occurs or when an unexpected expense occurs)? If so, I consider the property “self-supporting” - meaning I invested a wad of cash but will never have to put another dollar into the property. That is a win for me. I own a property, it pays for itself, and maybe puts a little cash in my pocket - the amount of which increases over time as rents increase. I own appreciating real estate that doesn’t cost me a penny moving forward.

Just the way I do it. Others choose a different approach which is dandy fine.
Thanks for your insight Arn, its really helpful. I think I saw a response where you said you have over 1100 units of multifamily. Did I get that right? 

How did you start in real estate and get to where you are today?

I would go with Option 2 as I am sure you will have a larger selection of qualified agents to choose from rather than Option 3. Also, having somebody on the inside with your greatest interests in mind could be a powerful tool.