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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 6 posts and replied 48 times.

Post: First Long-Term Rental - Condo

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Bernadeau C.:

what don't you refinance the rental property to pay off the HELOC? Is that a possibility? also which bank did you use for the HELOC?

Hi Bernadeau! A few years in, we may choose to do that. Seeing that most refi's max at 80% of the value of the home, we probably wouldn't get a huge amount back after a year or two. Also, I would assume interest rates may not be as favorable, but you never know!

For the HELOC on our primary residence, we used our local credit union. They've been wonderful! However, membership is limited to those living, working, or worshipping in our county.

Post: First Long-Term Rental - Condo

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25

Background

My wife and I have lived in our principal residence for 8 years and accumulated enough equity to take out a HELOC (currently at 4% interest) to use for a down payment on our first rental property. Being in a market as expensive as northern NJ is, we knew that this wasn't going to be easy. In addition, we wanted to find a property which would not take any major renovations. We both work full time, and we wanted to learn the investment & rental ropes first. Perhaps, in the future, we may look at more of a BRRRR type deal. This made our process even more selective.

Our Team

A friend of mine is a real estate agent and also has a background in finance. I called him up when we began our process. I knew nothing of the off-market deals, wholesaling, auctions, etc. at the time, but I knew that my friend would certainly be able to help us work off of the MLS while also understanding the financial/investment side of things.

We've been working with our mortgage broker since we purchased our primary residence, and he has proven immeasurably helpful with refinances throughout the time we've known him. He also was happy to work with us on our new investment.

We got introduced to our attorney through our real estate agent, and, so far, we've been very happy with her. Specifically she has been helpful guiding us through the process.

Requirements

down payment: $50,000 (25% down)
max sale price: $200,000

Our max down payment available (through the HELOC) was $50,000, with closing costs on top of that. We wanted to make sure that whatever we use of the HELOC, it is not exhausted. We want to have a cushion for other expenses/repairs that pop up early on. Putting 25% down plus points would leave our 30-year fixed mortgage rate at 2.75%. We could obviously either put less down or buy a more expensive property, but we wouldn't be able to find that interest rate.

type of property: SFH or condo

Most of the multi-family homes in northern NJ that were on the market either needed significant renovations or were priced out of our range. This left us with the option of a single family standalone home or a condo. If we went with a house, we'd end up paying a manager. If we found a condo in good shape, we'd plan on managing it ourselves.

The Offer

purchase price: $205,000
mortgage APR: 2.5% with points
down payment: $51,250
closing costs incl. points: $9,000
rental income: $1,800/month

After looking for a few months and crunching numbers on over a hundred properties, we saw a condo in a decent area (with great accessibility) come on the market. We called our agent and saw it that day. The numbers seemed to work out, the condo was in very good condition, and the HOA is well managed, so we made an offer. We ended up coming in only slightly above asking price, and our flexibility was one of our assets. The current owner still needed time to find a new place.

We ended up negotiating a Use and Occupancy agreement to allow the seller to stay in the apartment while he looks for his next home. He'll be paying carrying costs (interest, taxes, insurance, HOA fee, utilities) for the first 45 days and full rental price ($1,800/month) after that. He must give us 45 days notice of his intent to leave. We close soon.

Once we get the condo rented, the numbers end up looking like this:

The numbers assume a yearly 3% increase on all expenses, 2% increase in rent, and 1% increase in value (condos are whack). We will be managing the property ourselves.

Given that the interest on our HELOC will start out at $200/month, the cash flow more than covers the HELOC payment.

The Plan & The Future

We plan to aggressively pay down the $60,000 HELOC balance using all net income from the condo plus what we can put in from our regular W2 income. In a couple of years, we should be at a point where we can repeat the process, or maybe even look at a BRRRR property. The more properties we own, the faster that that HELOC will be paid down each time, hopefully allowing us to create a nice portfolio within 10 years.

What Do You Think?

How does this look to you? Did we miss anything? Do you have any advice for things to watch for as we move forward?

Thanks so much for taking the time to read!

Post: Running Rental numbers

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Shain Cannon:

@John Erlanger

Oh I still owe 330k on the property. All the calculations I’ve run say I’ll be loosing money if I rent it for 2700. Where as if I sell it I can use that as a down payment on a property or 2 that I can make money off of.

Hey Shain,

I don't know. At $2,700/month, you're basically at your break even point. Over time, your rents go up and your property appreciates. Hopefully, these numbers outpace your expenses. Basically, right now, your tenants are buying you your property and increasing your equity. Over time, you might make a bit of cash flow.

You can probably get at least $75k in a HELOC against the property, which is a good chunk of change for your next acquisition!

If it were me, I'd keep the property because it's not costing you anything and selling is a pain and will cost you money.

Here are the hypothetical numbers if you sold the property after 20 years, assuming everything goes up 3% (costs and income). As long as you keep within that 3% increase for costs and income, you'd start cash flowing a little in year 2, and only increasing after that.

For the 20 Years Invested

Return (IRR):9.09% per year
Total Profit when Sold:$614,705.92
Cash on Cash Return:409.80%
Capitalization Rate:3.77%
Total Rental Income:$783,540.12
Total Mortgage Payments:$366,787.55
Total Expenses:$296,890.77
Total Net Operating Income:$486,649.35

Post: Running Rental numbers

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25

Also, back to your first question, if you follow my calculation link, you can see what the property numbers could look like for any number of years in the future, which should guide your thought process.

Post: Running Rental numbers

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25

Sorry, I goofed on one part of the numbers above. Here's the update:

link with my numbers: Rental Property Calculator

Here's what I used:

Purchase price: $480000 (current value)
Down payment: 31.25% (the $150,000 equity you have)
Interest rate: 3.75%
Loan term: 30 years
Closing cost: $0

Property tax: $3,769 (Everette's tax rate is $11.15/$1,000 of assessment)
Insurance: $800 (random guess)
HOA: $0
Maint: $6,480 (10% maint, 10% CapEx)
Other: $0

Monthly Rent: $2,700
Vacancy: 10%
Management fee: 0%

Value Appreciation: 3%
Holding length: 20 years
Cost to sell: 8%

3% increase on all expenses (except mortgage) & income

First Year Income and Expense

MonthlyAnnual
Income:$2,700.00$32,400.00
Mortgage Pay:$1,528.28$18,339.38
Vacancy (10%):$270.00$3,240.00
Property Tax:$314.08$3,769.00
Total Insurance:$66.67$800.00
Maintenance Cost:$540.00$6,480.00
Cash Flow:$-19.03$-228.38
Net Operating Income (NOI):$1,509.25$18,111.00

My numbers could be totally off, but you can go in and adjust for your specific situation.

Post: Running Rental numbers

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Shain Cannon:

@Erik Donough

And if I’m going to heloc the property to purchase the next property. Should I factor that in as well, or Juust expect to factor that into the next properties rent as I would refi the next property to pay off the heloc on the first.

Personally, I would factor that into the NEXT purchase. Will cash flow of your next property support your HELOC payment on top of all of its other expenses?

Post: Running Rental numbers

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Shain Cannon:

@Erik Donough

Thank you for the reply. I did the calculator but was unsure how to use it my scenario. Would in just use the current mortgage as the purchase price? And omit the Rehab cost and what not since I did it in a more complicated manor?

Hi Shain! Without knowing your specific numbers, I did a quick calculation extrapolating some possible numbers based on what you gave. 

link with my numbers: Rental Property Calculator

Here's what I used:

Purchase price: $480000 (current value)
Down payment: 31.25% (the $150,000 equity you have)
Interest rate: 3.75%
Loan term: 30 years
Closing cost: $0
Repair cost: $0
Value after repairs: $480,000

Property tax: $3,769 (Everette's tax rate is $11.15/$1,000 of assessment)
Insurance: $800 (random guess)
HOA: $0
Maint: $6,480 (10% maint, 10% CapEx)
Other: $0

Monthly Rent: $2,700
Vacancy: 10%
Management fee: 0%

Value Appreciation: 3%
Holding length: 20 years
Cost to sell: 8%

3% increase on all expenses (except mortgage) & income

First Year Income and Expense

MonthlyAnnual
Income:$2,700.00$32,400.00
Mortgage Pay:$1,528.28$18,339.38
Vacancy (10%):$270.00$3,240.00
Property Tax:$314.08$3,769.00
Total Insurance:$66.67$800.00
Maintenance Cost:$540.00$6,480.00
Cash Flow:$-19.03$-228.38
Net Operating Income (NOI):$1,509.25$18,111.00

My numbers could be totally off, but you can go in and adjust for your specific situation. 

Post: Running Rental numbers

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Sherief Elbassuoni:

I send a lettet to my tenants and tell them new year rent is gonna be $x. If you renewed by next month, you will get this discount. If they renewed, that is fine. If they did not renew, that is also fine, but at least I have one to two months to advertise and find new tenants.

 That's a fantastic idea, Sherief! I'll be filing that one away for sure.

Post: How to choose tenants?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25

If I had to choose 1 or 2, I'd choose 2, but, as Joseph replied, read the book. It's cheap, but the information is priceless. Seriously, read the book.

Read it! :)

Post: Running Rental numbers

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25

1. To Theresa -- our taxes and insurance come from escrow that we pay into each month, along with our loan payment. It's not out of the realm of possibility.

2. If you'd like to run the numbers for free, check out Calculator.net's Rental Calculator. It's pretty darned detailed!!!

I hope this helps!!

- Erik (Morristown, NJ)