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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 6 posts and replied 48 times.

Post: First Rental Property - 2br/1ba Condo

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  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Vincent Paventa:

Congrats on this deal @Account Closed!

- Would you be able to share where you got the HELOC? Have you had good experiences with that bank?

I own property in Bergen/Hudson County in Northern NJ.  

Hi Vincent. The HELOC was from Picatinny Federal CU. You have to live, work, or worship in Morris County to be a member.

I ended up doing a cash-out refinance on my primary residence and paying off the HELOC, though. For a long-term investment, the HELOC didn't end up making sense for me. For a flip or a BRRRR, it could work well.

Post: Second Rental Property - 1br/1ba Condo

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  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Vincent Paventa:

Hey @Account Closed- congrats on this deal! Nice find regarding the 2nd bedroom.

I'm an investor in Northern NJ as well and just replied on your other post. 

In Sussex county, which towns are you seeing the best numbers in?  

Hi! Thanks so much. At this point, I'm really looking only at condos/townhomes, so that limits my search quite a bit. There haven't been many with good numbers on the MLS, either. The ones I've found to put an offer in on have been in Vernon.

Post: Second Rental Property - 1br/1ba Condo

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  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25

Investment Info:

Condo buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $87,200
Cash invested: $38,135

$87.2k for a 1br/1ba, $1,400/month rent, $371/month cashflow. 25% down, 4.375% interest rate (no points).

We found this not quite distressed condo about 45 minutes away from our primary residence on the MLS. It has new HVAC and water heater, and the plumbing and electric are good. We paid $21,800 down, and it needs $5-7k work -- appliances, bathroom fixtures, doors, and paint. ARV could be as high as $110,000.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

After successfully renting our first investment condo, my wife and I kept our eyes open for more condo deals in the northern NJ area. Given the insanity of the housing market, and our limited funding, this meant narrowing our search to the Sussex County area.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I found this property on Redfin the day it went public, texted my realtor, and we saw it the next day. The asking price was reasonable for the market, even with the cosmetic repairs and upgrades needed. We put an offer in for asking, and it was accepted a few days later.

How did you finance this deal?

30 yr. fixed conventional mortgage with 25% down and no points up front. The interest rate is 4.375%.

The down payment and renovation cash came from a cash-out refinance on our primary and from our own investment savings.

How did you add value to the deal?

We were able to close as quickly or as slowly as the seller wanted, and ended up closing 45 days after making our offer. Our financial position was strong, and our down payment was 25%, so there was no uncertainty in our ability to perform.

Now that the property is ours, we will be putting $5-7k of work into the property, which could raise its value as high as $20k. In addition, although it appraises as a 1-bedroom unit, it can be rented as a 2-bedroom condo.

What was the outcome?

Although receiving communication from the sellers and their agent, we made it to closing as expected and promptly changed the locks. The condo will be refreshed soon.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Keep pushing the sellers and their agent if communication is lacking. Get a good buyer agent and lawyer who can do this on your behalf. Don't be afraid to ask for concessions, even in a hot sellers' market. At least we got something!

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Realtor: Alex Knox - Keller Williams, Ridgewood, NJ
Attorney: Margaret Miller, Montville, NJ
Mortgage Broker: Peter Appolito - Finance of America, Paramus, NJ

Post: Second Rental Property - 1br/1ba Condo

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25

Investment Info:

Condo buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $87,200
Cash invested: $38,135

$87.2k for a 1br/1ba, $1,400/month rent, $371/month cashflow. 25% down, 4.375% interest rate (no points).

We found this not quite distressed condo about 45 minutes away from our primary residence on the MLS. It has new HVAC and water heater, and the plumbing and electric are good. We paid $21,800 down, and it needs $5-7k work -- appliances, bathroom fixtures, doors, and paint. ARV could be as high as $110,000.

This condo, although technically a 1-bedroom, actually has a finished basement room with a closet. We will list it as a 2-bedroom unit, bringing in a better monthly rent than other true 1-bedroom units.

We offered asking the day after it came on the MLS, as it was priced well for the market, and our offer was accepted several days later. We received $750 at closing for repairs. We had hoped to negotiate this number higher, but, in this hot seller's market, we decided this was reasonable.

This is our first property that needs work, and we hope to complete it by early July '21 and have tenants in it August '21. I will be working with my friend who is a contractor to complete the work. I plan to have a professional come in to repaint the unit.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

After successfully renting our first investment condo, my wife and I kept our eyes open for more condo deals in the northern NJ area. Given the insanity of the housing market, and our limited funding, this meant narrowing our search to the Sussex County area.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I found this property on Redfin the day it went public, texted my realtor, and we saw it the next day. The asking price was reasonable for the market, even with the cosmetic repairs and upgrades needed. We put an offer in for asking, and it was accepted a few days later.

How did you finance this deal?

30 yr. fixed conventional mortgage with 25% down and no points up front. The interest rate is 4.375%.

The down payment and renovation cash came from a cash-out refinance on our primary and from our own investment savings.

How did you add value to the deal?

We were able to close as quickly or as slowly as the seller wanted, and ended up closing 45 days after making our offer. Our financial position was strong, and our down payment was 25%, so there was no uncertainty in our ability to perform.

Now that the property is ours, we will be putting $5-7k of work into the property, which could raise its value as high as $20k. In addition, although it appraises as a 1-bedroom unit, it can be rented as a 2-bedroom condo.

What was the outcome?

Although receiving communication from the sellers and their agent, we made it to closing as expected and promptly changed the locks. The condo will be refreshed soon.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Keep pushing the sellers and their agent if communication is lacking. Get a good buyer agent and lawyer who can do this on your behalf. Don't be afraid to ask for concessions, even in a hot sellers' market. At least we got something!

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Realtor: Alex Knox - Keller Williams, Ridgewood, NJ
Attorney: Margaret Miller, Montville, NJ
Mortgage Broker: Peter Appolito - Finance of America, Paramus, NJ

Post: First Rental Property - 2br/1ba Condo

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Zain B.:

@Account Closed where in Jersey did you find this great deal. Congrats on working it out with the owners. Curious to find out what happened once the 45 day period was over? 

Hey Zain! I wish I could tell you it was a great deal, but, numbers wise, it was simply a "good start." It's in Rockaway, Morris County.

The previous owner was a REALLY good guy. He helped get pictures ready for the listing, and was always happy to clean up and disappear when I needed to show the place. He ended up needing another 15 days past our U&O agreement, so he paid me the pro-rated rent for that time up front. Once he was out, I got the place ready to rent in about 2 weeks, and my tenants moved in a week after that.

I've had great success so far with my tenants. The only major issue I've had with the property was needing to install a new HVAC system. The old one was 33 years old, so it wasn't a shock. I had hoped it would last another year or two, though.

Post: Morris County newbie :)

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  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Chris Osifchin:

Another Morris County new investor here, slightly intimidated by the high prices in the area! Looking to make my first deal in the next year or so.

Yes! The rent to purchase ratios are incredibly low. I do own one property in Rockaway, purchased in October, and it cash flows, but I probably put too much into the deal just to make the numbers work. The second deal I'm working on now is all the way up in Vernon. It's hard to make the numbers work in Morris County.

Post: Morris County newbie :)

Account ClosedPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25

Hello from another Morris County investor! It's a CRAZY market here right now, but that doesn't mean you can't find something worthwhile. It just may take some time. All the best!!

Post: Is NY or NJ better to invest as first property?

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  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25

Hey Julia. I'm a newbie investor in northern NJ with 1 door, working on the next 1-2. I've found that, aside from the towns that have been mentioned here, looking in Sussex and Warren Counties might make sense. You may still be within an hour of NYC. Taxes and home prices are lower. That being said, so are rents, but it's not impossible to find investments that make sense from a numbers perspective.

As you get into these more rural areas, do be aware that you may end up looking at properties that have septics and well water. This isn't necessarily a deal breaker for some, but I try to steer away from these kinds of properties, myself.

Post: Property Manager vs No Property Manager for first investment

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  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Drew Sygit:

@Dalton O'Rourke you'll learn a lot of you can do it yourself for a year or two.

It can be fun and exciting at first, but after that initial 2 years, it just becomes a job.

Some still like the grind after those first two years, others can't stand it anymore and hire a PMC.

Right on! After x years of managing yourself, when you decide to hire someone else to manage your properties, you will have a much better knowledge of what they should be doing.

Post: Property Manager vs No Property Manager for first investment

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  • Rental Property Investor
  • New Jersey
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 25

Working on my first rental with my first tenants, and I promised myself I would, at least start out, doing it myself. I want to learn the ropes and understand everything that goes into owning and managing a property. So far, I've been lucky to have a pretty smooth experience, but it has taken a good amount of time to do all of the reading, form formatting, database building, etc.

I'm definitely a noob, so I love reading the other replies, too!