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All Forum Posts by: Erica Calella

Erica Calella has started 8 posts and replied 75 times.

Post: I sure hope everyone is doing OK

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Thinking of everyone in WNC and TN, hope everyone is safe first and foremost! Also hope everyone's property made it through the worst of this storm as unscathed as possible. Absolutely devastating to see how much destruction it's caused to Asheville and surrounding mountain communities.

One thing I will say for certain, communities down here really know how to take care of each other. It's one of the things I love most and I'm so grateful I get to witness this compassionate side of humanity. Please take care.

Post: STR Buy/Sell Trends 2025

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Quote from @Collin Hays:
Quote from @Erica Calella:

 Thank you for the response! What about these houses make them a bad investment? My home is in the middle of the woods too, but it has a million dollar view that helps boost bookings. I often wonder if the remote location (20 minutes up the mountain) is a turnoff and travelers are starting to prefer motel-like accommodations that are close to the main highways.

"Remote" is actually a selling point. Many travelers are wanting some peace and quiet.  In terms of mountain cabins, those without a view, or no waterfront, don't have much in the way of redeeming qualities to help them stand out.  


 Thank you, that is good to know!!

Post: STR Buy/Sell Trends 2025

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I think you're right about that! Hopefully we all can figure out what those sweet spots are before the rest catch on!

Post: STR Buy/Sell Trends 2025

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 Thank you for the response! What about these houses make them a bad investment? My home is in the middle of the woods too, but it has a million dollar view that helps boost bookings. I often wonder if the remote location (20 minutes up the mountain) is a turnoff and travelers are starting to prefer motel-like accommodations that are close to the main highways.

Post: STR Buy/Sell Trends 2025

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Quote from @John Underwood:

I would as always run the numbers on new purchases and make sure they will fit with your goals.

I am not selling any STR properties because I bought good investments in great areas.


 I'm a very numbers oriented person, but how are you projecting revenue?

Post: STR Buy/Sell Trends 2025

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For investors utilizing the STR strategy, what is your "gut feeling" for what the upcoming investment landscape will look like in 2025?

I recently spoke with an investor who believes STR sales in WNC are going to hit the market like crazy in spring of 2025. In her opinion, many investors are desperate to get out of their saturated markets but are waiting for interest rates to come down since many of them had purchased back in 2021-2022 at lower rates and higher prices. This makes sense, but what do we think will happen to these properties once sold? Will they likely be recycled into a new STR under new ownership? What are the other possibilities?

I'm thinking that this would also be a good time for me to add another property to my STR portfolio because I think prices will be more competitive once the transaction volume increases. My hesitation stems from the fact that I am unable to wrap my head around how this will affect the overall STR supply in vacation markets.

Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @Erica Calella:

I could see why you are concerned here, but if I was in your shoes, I'd try hold out as long as possible before jumping ship. 

My burning question- What do your operating costs consist of here? They seem high for what I am assuming to be a smaller sized property. What can you do to reduce these? Once you are able to increase your margins, I would try to pay down the mortgage as quickly as possible using whatever extra cash flow you can generate. Look at everything, from utilities, to landscaping, to property taxes etc to see where you can save. Your debt payments appear to be around $16.8K per year, not $24K, so I'm not sure where that figure is coming from, but once the mortgage is paid off, you'll have some more cash flow to play around with.

1031 exchange is always an option if you are really just done with this property and want to sell. I think all of the capital improvements you made will increase your basis too, but make sure to confirm with a tax professional on that.

The longer you hold out, the worse it gets.  Cut your losses, and move on.

That may be valid in situations that you have been in, but that mindset doesn't apply to every deal so the blanket opinion to just "cut losses" and "move on" is useless.

Quote from @Steven DeMarco:
Quote from @Erica Calella:

I could see why you are concerned here, but if I was in your shoes, I'd try hold out as long as possible before jumping ship. 

My burning question- What do your operating costs consist of here? They seem high for what I am assuming to be a smaller sized property. What can you do to reduce these? Once you are able to increase your margins, I would try to pay down the mortgage as quickly as possible using whatever extra cash flow you can generate. Look at everything, from utilities, to landscaping, to property taxes etc to see where you can save. Your debt payments appear to be around $16.8K per year, not $24K, so I'm not sure where that figure is coming from, but once the mortgage is paid off, you'll have some more cash flow to play around with.

1031 exchange is always an option if you are really just done with this property and want to sell. I think all of the capital improvements you made will increase your basis too, but make sure to confirm with a tax professional on that.

My monthly mortgage payment is about $1,400/month which includes PITI. You are right that my annual debt service is about $16K ($1.4K x 12) but the metrics I shared were over a 17-month timeline of being operational with the STR ($1.4K x 17 = $24K). Understandably a bit confusing on my end - sorry for that.

I appreciate you pointing a finger at the operating costs. I'll do my best to summarize. Again, I will show these metrics over the past 17-months that I've been operational. Total operating costs over this 17-month timeline total $32K. Also important to note that I live out of state and require some boots on ground management and travel costs to travel to the property.

Admin ($6.2K) - includes $1.3K of advertising (listing photos, FB ads, etc.), $2.1K of travel (flights & rental cars), $2.3K in software subscriptions (PMS, etc.) and $300 in meals

Management Fees ($1.7K) - PM fees, booking platform fees, etc.

Cleaning Fees ($6.2K) - pass-through charge for guest

Repairs & Maintenance ($10.5K) - General R&M ($1.5K), Painting ($1.2K), Plumbing ($1.5K), Pest Control ($500), R&M Supplies ($500), Labor ($3.5K), Linens, Soaps, Consumables ($1.5K)

Legal & Professional ($1.5K) - LLC setup & lawyer fees ($350), inspections ($1.1K)

Utilities ($6.4K) - Gas (avg. $63/mo.), Electric (avg. $121/mo.), Internet (avg. $60/mo.), Water & Sewer (avg. $107/mo.).

Please let me know if you see anything glaring or things that I can work on bringing down or eliminating completely.

It's important to note that up until I hired the full-service PM in April '24, I was self-managing from out of state and paid a local boots on the ground resource when needed. From April '24 moving forward, my P&L will look much simpler as the cleaning fees, PM fee and software subscriptions are handled by the PM so I will just see income after all of those fees on my P&L.

Regarding the 1031 exchange - that would still result in losing all the cash invested above and beyond my equity position. My understanding of a 1031 is that you essentially move the equity from property A to property B, I can't recapture my full $130K cash invested, only the current equity position of $45K. Unless I am misunderstanding your suggestion there.

Thanks for all of the clarification. Many of the costs you've outlined above are upfront set-up costs. You won't be incurring these every year..

I think you should sit down and just run the numbers for the next 12 months, taking into consideration only what you expect to spend to operate the property, expect to spend on maintenance and a buffer for emergency repairs. At this point your PM should be handling all software related costs, unless your PMA states otherwise. If you're passing along cleaning fees to the guests, then they shouldn't have such a material impact on your profits.

I'm speaking from experience a little bit. I also have an out-of-state STR with a PM who handles the bookings and cleaning etc. Now that all of the initial set-up costs and major repairs are more or less behind me, the property is starting to cash flow well. But similar to you, the situation was not looking great at the start.

You are correct that a 1031 exchange won't allow you to capture your initial cash investment, but selling outright won't either, plus you'll have to pay taxes on the capital gains and depreciation recapture. A 1031 exchange will defer that and give you a chance to move towards a better cash flowing property, which is why it could be considered a viable option.