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All Forum Posts by: Eric P.

Eric P. has started 2 posts and replied 22 times.

Post: Out of State looking into the Cleveland market

Eric P.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 5

@Kevin Abihider just sent you a DM. Hope to talk to you soon!

Post: Lorain Ohio investors

Eric P.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 5

Hey Ryan, I can connect you with a couple people, I'll shoot you a PM and we can discuss further. Thanks!

Post: My first flip! (with pictures)

Eric P.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 5

For some reason its not letting me embed the photos so I have to give links.

Kitchen (tile done, no cabinets):

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qiC2BEe1cw0/UyTyjJtaO2I/AAAAAAAAAh8/bexC3alHt88/w379-h505-no/IMG_1856.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-EDPmQBqc1L8/UyTykDzMeaI/AAAAAAAAAiM/6lmqiI69OKE/w673-h505-no/IMG_1858.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-74bQisGLEnc/UyTyjjWlryI/AAAAAAAAAiI/IRPaZ5ZYtEQ/w379-h505-no/IMG_1857.JPG

1st floor/2nd floor (drywall done, not painted):

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-co0HHoqKGcY/UyTyYw9W4aI/AAAAAAAAAfc/ARIjS7yP7Qo/w379-h505-no/IMG_1831.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VP-yFWJqeIU/UyTyZm5WD7I/AAAAAAAAAfo/2Jar_bUEhJ0/w673-h505-no/IMG_1832.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ruTpkGEKpHw/UyTyZlIPEDI/AAAAAAAAAfs/SpMg2gXYHVo/w673-h505-no/IMG_1833.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-CQAmrkpMlu0/UyTybqkmcaI/AAAAAAAAAgE/VG1V2qEEMQw/w379-h505-no/IMG_1834.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wwcmzGYq8nI/UyTya7xqeMI/AAAAAAAAAf8/5BXi9W3tvFk/w379-h505-no/IMG_1835.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1jPgS76aYh0/UyTybGoNc1I/AAAAAAAAAgA/O_6WMDGiH7A/w673-h505-no/IMG_1836.JPG

Pet stains on hardwoods, can this be fixed? https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5dHfz1RmGVQ/UyTycOTKShI/AAAAAAAAAgM/kqbCp06zMFQ/w379-h505-no/IMG_1837.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tqHCO7xuTSc/UyTyc_DN5CI/AAAAAAAAAgg/8ucYdW5xOy4/w379-h505-no/IMG_1840.JPG

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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_GTjoe7auJg/UyTydf03AOI/AAAAAAAAAgc/_Ga3DD6fATk/w379-h505-no/IMG_1842.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PVospcDqlX4/UyTyeQdHvwI/AAAAAAAAAgw/97vvo6arJRk/w379-h505-no/IMG_1843.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RZ8BoZOlfJk/UyTye_gTheI/AAAAAAAAAg0/pAOR54C9h74/w379-h505-no/IMG_1844.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2j-xnPZovzI/UyTyf2S8UDI/AAAAAAAAAhI/OCTgENM7mEE/w379-h505-no/IMG_1845.JPG

3rd floor (finished):

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Sawc4EqwsXk/UyTyfkSlS3I/AAAAAAAAAhA/OSEgdPIv2S8/w379-h505-no/IMG_1846.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vfxRiMvtQ4I/UyTygEZceQI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/8PhDMQDNzKY/w379-h505-no/IMG_1847.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-nPqp-vbaZQA/UyTyghAfDxI/AAAAAAAAAhU/Bg4agUNNMqg/w379-h505-no/IMG_1848.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vwouREpBaYg/UyTyh8VMXaI/AAAAAAAAAhk/9s7VYmqoc3I/w379-h505-no/IMG_1851.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Nz5kfHGyUBg/UyTyhr63LBI/AAAAAAAAAhg/FD2p86wF2EE/w379-h505-no/IMG_1852.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5TMICoOgZpM/UyTyiZw59PI/AAAAAAAAAh0/jc6W9xnyjYE/w673-h505-no/IMG_1853.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PpP2R6FXlu0/UyTyizE1yqI/AAAAAAAAAh4/67-oDxBOHas/w379-h505-no/IMG_1855.JPG

Post: My first flip! (with pictures)

Eric P.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 5

Well.... Where to start? A lot has happened in the last 5 months... I'll just go in chronological order. There have really been 2 phases.

10/10 - 1/30:

Continued to do all of the work in the evenings after I got home from my 'real' job. My original contractor came 2-3 days/wk in the evenings to help out. We got a lot done in those 3-4 hrs, but this was all painfully slow and put me even more behind schedule.

I learned the basics of drywall hanging and finishing, framing in rooms, prepping for and laying ceramic tile, texturing ceilings, got better at painting, learned a little about plumbing, and learned the basics of electrical (installed all my own lighting and installed a breaker into the breaker box).

Because I was so behind schedule my boiler was disconnected until 12/20. This meant I couldn't move in and in order to prevent all of the plumbing from freezing we brought in a torpedo heater and I had to run that to heat the house for 2-3 weeks.

By this point I am getting pretty frustrated with the slow progress and the cascade of events that this created with the heat, the fact I can't move in which results in spending more money than I anticipated for everything (gasoline to and from work, heating the house w heat pumps and a torpedo heater). I was also having trouble getting more time from the original contractor during the day while I was at work and in the evenings.

We finally get the heat on 12/20 and the next day we had a thaw and heavy rain and I came home to water in my basement! There are combined sewers in this area and most of the homes have this problem. The main sewers eventually cleared out and the water went away but this added another problem to my list to take care of.

I finally got to move in 1/7 and got everything finished up by the end of January. I also found out that when we reconnected the 3rd floor bathroom and I went to use the refinished clawfoot tub that the old iron waste stack had a huge 2 ft long crack in it and the elbow going down to the basement had about a softball size hole in the outside corner. I was wondering what that smell was coming from the 2nd floor! Luckily only water from the tub leaked out of the stack and no sewage came out of the elbow and into my walls. Add another issue to take care of.

I had a great talk with my realtor and he helped set me in the right direction with my mindset and after I finished the 3rd floor I decided to try something different. He recommended another contractor that he had worked with in the past and I gave him a call.

1/30 - 3/15

There was no way I was going to get done in any reasonable amount of time by doing all of this work myself. With the way I was doing things I would be working on this house for another 9 months! I needed people to be here during the day. I called 3 new contractors. The first looked through the house and was really knowledgeable but never showed the day he was supposed to start. The second was supposed to come out to look at the job but he didn't call me until a few days later to apologize that he had gotten busy. I told him I already found someone else. The third did exactly what he said he was going to, was on time and seemed to have a game plan for how to tackle the rest of the rehab (this is the guy my realtor recommended).

He started 1/30 and ended up bringing in quite a few subs to get the job done, he subbed out the plumbing stack and rough in and the kitchen drywall, one of them was on time but sloppy and the other had another job come up and caused delays in the new schedule. I offered this work to the old contractor but he couldn't commit to any timelines so the new contractor just started on his own taking care of everything.

Having the new contractor there during the day and managing the subs has been a huge help. In the last month and a half they have patched and finished all of the drywall in the house, textured the ceilings, prepped the kitchen for drywall, facilitated the kitchen drywall and plumbing, did a thorough cleaning in the house to remove all of the dust and debris, and have started painting this last week.

I decided that I'm not going to knock down the wall on the 2nd floor to create a mater bedroom. Its just not going to be in the budget, so now I will list as a 3rd floor master suite with claw foot soaker tub.

I'm keeping the old contractor around for smaller jobs like the kitchen and 2nd floor bathroom, we prepped and tiled the kitchen last week and just finished grouting today. Cabinets are coming Monday and should be installed next week some time. After the kitchen comes the basement then the 2nd floor bath.

So here are the things done since last post:

3rd floor

Drywall finished

Tub stripped/refinished

Ceilings textured (knockdown)

Changed layout of bathroom and installed fixtures

Lighting installed

Painted

Carpet

Trim installed

Radiator replaced with baseboard in bathroom

Kitchen/Pantry

Insulated

Drywall hung/finished

Tile installed (Durock, tile, grout)

Rest of 1st floor

Nasty carpet removed (found some pet stains on hardwoods)

Drywall finished

Cove ceilings textured (looks better than I thought it would)

Painting in process

2nd floor

Drywall finished

Ceilings textured

Painting in process

General

Stack replaced

Whole house cleaned

Lessons learned:

For the newbies out there.... after you've got some knowledge get out there and do your first deal, you'll learn so much more on a flip than in a book. All of the information that I gained in books wasn't rooted in any real understanding of flipping/rehabbing/investing until I actually starting taking action. Not saying that I am some genius now, but I know I'm more on the right track now.

Don't be afraid to hire out the work, they may not be as expensive as you think... actually they may even be cheaper in the long run than doing it yourself if you consider the time savings and the fact that they will do it right the first time.... not to mention the fact that you are only 1 person vs. their 3 or 4 or 5 people working all at the same time all day.

But at the same time, don't be afraid to try something on your own and make mistakes, it's pretty hard to screw something up so bad that it can't be fixed. I've learned a lot along the way and understand cost of materials better than before and how long it actually takes to do certain things. It's not just screwing up a sheet of drywall to me now. The entire definition of hanging, taping, and finishing means something totally different to me now.

Rehabs are dusty dirty places. Try not to live in one. I've managed to keep most of the nasty stuff down stairs but some dust eventually migrates up. I value what I've learned so far but I think I should've outsourced more of the work, get it finished, and then move in if I wanted to keep it long term. I may decide to keep it longer than I had originally planned if I can partner up with someone or secure some additional financing in order to avoid moving again in such a short period and avoid short term capital gains tax. There are also going to be some amenities that may get built down the street that could help the value of the house if I wait to sell. Haven't decided yet, if I need to sell in order to do another rehab in 2014 then I will.

Last lesson learned for this post.... Before you go cutting channels in all of your walls, check behind the baseboard to see if your plaster goes to the floor... I found out that I would have only cut between 2 studs for each box. This would have saved a lot of my time and a lot of the new contractor's time patching all the holes cleaning all the debris I made. Really on this house, it might have made more sense to gut it to the studs for the electrician and plumber and drywall guys and maybe have even thrown in some forced heat and central air.

Pictures aren't adding,, will try to add them with an edit.

Post: My first flip! (with pictures)

Eric P.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 5

Thanks Kathy. We are really working hard to get the 3rd floor done as soon as possible, I'm thinking it will be ready within the next week and then I will post a more thorough update. Everything is turning out nicely though and its pretty exciting seeing it start to come together.

I did check with my realtor and he said it probably won't add much value to this particular house to convert it to a 3 bedroom, but it will make it easier to sell, especially with a walk-in closet. I didn't fully appreciate the difference until discussing it with him.

Post: First Flip (with before and after pics)

Eric P.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 5

That basement is pretty sweet! I like the bathroom too.

How many SF is the house? What type of countertops/flooring/cabinets do you put in a house in this price range in the area?

Post: My first flip! (with pictures)

Eric P.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 5

Jessica, good idea on posting a closer picture!

Here is a close up. Honestly, the answer could be to put the hardware on and to not do anything. It just seemed weird to me in the dining room, it kind of looks like it should have old pictures and an urn on it lol. The rest of the trim on the 1st floor is white, but it might be nice to strip and refinish just the built-in, since the floors should be wood, assuming there isn't anything horribly wrong with them when I pull up the carpet all the way.

Regarding the number of rooms, I would need to do a little research on the average for the area. I do have 2 more rooms and a bathroom upstairs on the third floor, I don't know what would be needed to call them "bedrooms"?. One has a pretty small closet and the other doesn't have any closet, so maybe they shouldn't be considered bedrooms. I was figuring that there would be additional space on the third floor, and that sacrificing one of the rooms on the 2nd floor wouldn't detract too much from the house. I will run it past my realtor just to be sure though. I also need to ask if this would be over improving for the neighborhood.

I'm still looking for ideas on the fireplace. If I can't find a cheap solution to make it functional then I will just clean up the brick and mortar, paint the inside, and put either a fireplace screen or decorative vases in front of it.

For the kitchen ceiling, we put a header where the stairway used to be and decided to just lower the rest of the ceiling instead of creating a soffit above the refrigerator. This made it super easy to install the recessed lights and run the wire.

The 45k.... I'll be impressed if I come in under that too! I'll have plenty of sweat equity into the house though which can help offset any cost overruns, I'm OK with that considering its my first rehab. I've got my fingers crossed that I'll be pretty close though. I found a good deal on cabinets (Thanks @Dell Schlabach!) and came in ~$1400 under budget there, I've also came in ~$1300 under budget on the HVAC too. I'm thinking that might cover the overrun on the 3rd floor.

It's funny, I can see why 2 of the most common mistakes are over improving and underestimating repairs. It's so easy to get caught up in the idea of making the house as nice as you can (like putting in a master bedroom) and feeling like that is the way to do a "good job" on the rehab. I constantly have to try and remind myself that a good job is hitting the sweet spot and having just the right amount of quality that is appropriate for the neighborhood while having a couple of nice features to make the house "pop" and sell quickly and being at the right price (which, to me, means staying within the budget, assuming ARV is correct). Speaking with experienced investors on what decisions they make and why really helps a lot for me, seeing what materials and build quality they are using in their houses helps put mine into perspective.

Thanks again for the replies everyone.

Post: My first flip! (with pictures)

Eric P.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 5

@Shane Johnson : Thanks for the tips, it's hard to tell from the picture but the wood in the picture is actually the subfloor and needs replaced in certain sections. For the 3rd floor bathroom I would love to put a shower in but there isn't enough room, there are definitely plans for some type of linen closet or other small storage... maybe one of those knee wall built ins? If not, then maybe just some boxes in the wall to act like shelves to set things on.

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/how-to/intro/0,,20187193,00.html

Post: New, short Downtown Cleveland promotional video for the fans out there

Eric P.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 5

Sometimes this type of stuff has copy write issue that I know companies are a little funny about sometimes. I'm going to pass this onto our HR dept and see if they can make use of it. I agree that the mood around Cleveland has been changing, it definitely doesn't feel like a dying city anymore.

Post: New, short Downtown Cleveland promotional video for the fans out there

Eric P.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 5

Great video! Do you know if employers looking to recruit to Cleveland based companies are allowed to use this? I can definitely see this being a great intro to college students and recent grads or new hires