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All Forum Posts by: Elliot Wagner

Elliot Wagner has started 4 posts and replied 9 times.

Quote from @Taylor L.:

I am one of those bd types. Here are a few thoughts:

- Most broker dealers are going to expect you to have your own skin in the game, so they are not going to raise the entire fund for you. Start with a target fund size where you'd be able to raise at least half of the equity.

- Most operators I speak with who have not worked with outside capital providers have unrealistic expectations with regards to the compensation of outside capital raisers (i.e. they want it for free or next to free). Make sure your investment model has enough margin so you can compensate capital partners while making it worth your while. As Chris said, it can be a pay to play market.

- Fund-of-fund managers may also be a good target.

Thank you for the insights! What is a realistic range for compensation for a BD? I'm seeing anywhere between 1-8%. How do you operators go about finding people like yourself? LinkedIn and Google are not very helpful or it is that we don't know what to look for.

Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Elliot Wagner:

We are operators with a $15M portfolio generating good returns over the past several years. We are looking to raise a $30-$50M investment fund to scale. We have spoken with some syndication/fund formation attorneys and are ready to prepare a PPM. However, we're unsure of how to search for broker dealers that can help raise the funds. Is there a database or a specific Google search I should be using?

We tried searching for "broker dealer mid market" and "broker dealer private placement" and got some hits that look like they could be a good fit, but not very many. Not sure if we're missing some obvious way of searching?


 We are going through this now and found a broker dealer, but only because my business partner has a personal relationship with one of their team members. There are sites out there like PERE and Fintrx you can sign up for but I believe they cost around $20k. you can also check out alternative investment events but you have to sponsor and those sponsorships cost around $20k per event. Realize the BD space is a huge pay to play market. 

Also you will need a due diligence report from a company like factright or Mick Law. Expect to drop $150k easy to get into the space. 

Wow those are some big numbers! Is your BD actually helping raise funds with a captive sales force or are they acting as just a managing broker dealer?

We are operators with a $15M portfolio generating good returns over the past several years. We are looking to raise a $30-$50M investment fund to scale. We have spoken with some syndication/fund formation attorneys and are ready to prepare a PPM. However, we're unsure of how to search for broker dealers that can help raise the funds. Is there a database or a specific Google search I should be using?

We tried searching for "broker dealer mid market" and "broker dealer private placement" and got some hits that look like they could be a good fit, but not very many. Not sure if we're missing some obvious way of searching?

Quote from @Luke Carl:

Hard no for me for the simple fact that they use the word “airbnb” that’s like saying “invest in our Zillow houses” 

I’ve said it 1000 times. You can’t syndicate single family homes. If you want to use other peoples money to buy real estate it needs to be a commercial asset with a cap rate 

What is the reason you believe single family STRs couldn't be syndicated? Couldn't you calculate cap rates for STRs as well same as any other asset? What about investors like Techvestor?

The story is really incredible, and I wished it was true because I was very inspired, but it doesn't hold water. She claimed she had 16 Airbnb rentals, but she actually only has 6 and has some very negative reviews (unsanitary, deceptive listings etc) from guests and LOTS of empty calendars https://www.airbnb.com/users/s... She claimed $64K/mo cashflow from Airbnb ($80K - $16K/mo cashflow from section 8), but it looks like she only has one listing booked currently for about $1500/mo. After PITI and utilities, that's probably about $800/mo cashflow.

Looking through the older guest reviews, it looks like she used to have some Airbnb arbitrage units in a building with a landlord that didn't allow Airbnbs, which I'm guessing got shut down and is why she now only has 6 listings.

Her Furnished Finder reviews are likewise all 1-star reviews as well, with guest complaining about unreturned security deposits and misleading advertising https://www.furnishedfinder.co...

IF the claimed section 8 cashflow is true, I estimate she is at most making about $17K/mo cashflow. That's great, but a far cry from the $80K/month figure. Also given these inaccuracies, I'm skeptical even the section 8 figures are authentic.

She sells a $2K 4-week real estate investing mentorship program, which must be getting a nice boost in students from all the podcast viewers. It should help make up for the empty Airbnbs and shuttered arbitrage units.

Quote from @Alex L.:

I have very little CC debt (0% interest), and most of my debt is in the form of two separate HELOCs totaling $50k which I've been using for rehabs and (stupidly) remodeling my own house. I'm not sure what the truth is re: HELOC utilization and whether or not it affects credit scores, but I do know that every month I make a $1,000 payment to pay down the outstanding HELOC debt, my FICO credit score bounces up a tick. And also, whenever I use the HELOC for a sizable amount at once (i.e. using $20k to purchase a property) my FICO credit score dropped like a stone... then slowly began to tick back up as I made those big payments. As for the other credit scores, not sure since I don't see those ones as regularly... FICO I see it monthly in my banking apps.

Perhaps it's not the HELOC utilization rate itself, but the utilization rate of your total credit overall (if you're near maxing out your HELOC, you're probably utilizing a high amount of your overall available credit). But, again, who the hell knows for sure.


 That's a helpful data point and it aligns with what I've seen with my credit as well!

We have a few HELOCs with 97% - 99% utilization rate with balances in the range of $70K - $200K. How do these affect mortgage FICO scores 2, 4, 5? 

I keep reading completely conflicting advice where some sources say HELOC utilization rates don't affect credit scores at all, while others say they do affect scores significantly, and some others say that they don't unless you really max out the HELOC. Some say the impact is big, while some others say the impact is small.

What is the truth? 

We're closing on a 1.3M home in Sevier County, TN and we got quoted $4K for Owner Title insurance in our closing costs. Does this sound like a good price? On our previous purchase, we paid much less, so $4K seems like a lot, but the previous one was also a much lower price home in a different state.

We're buying a second home for vacation purposes financing it as a second home, but renting it out when we're not there. In the first year after purchase, we're planning to live there for 3 months, which will help us meet the second home occupancy requirements without a problem.

A couple of questions we have:

- Down the line (say after a year), can we convert it to a full time vacation rental? Would the lender have problems with that? I know that for a primary residence, you can convert it to a rental property after a year, but not sure what the rules are for second homes. Haven't been able to find any guidelines related to this.

- Down the line, if we are able to convert this property to a full time vacation rental investment property, can we then buy another second home (with second home financing terms) in the same area? Second homes need to be at least 70 miles apart, but since technically, the original property will have become no longer our second home, would we then be allowed to finance another second home in the area?

If anyone has experience with this type of situation would love to hear how this is handled by lenders. Depending on how it's viewed, we'd like to optimize our strategy for the kind of property we want to finance as investment vs second home and how to sequence the property purchases.