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All Forum Posts by: Edward Stephens

Edward Stephens has started 29 posts and replied 146 times.

Post: Need help analyzing my first duplex deal

Edward StephensPosted
  • Realtor and Investor
  • Leawood, KS
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 78
Originally posted by @Josh C.:
Don't worry about list price. Worry about cash flow that you can live with and comps. Seems like a descent deal and very similar to my personal house hack. Double I paid 174k for and rents are $1200 a side now I've moved out.

The most important thing about this deal is you are getting started. Most folks don't do that. Get a good inspection and budget accordingly.

Good luck!

Thanks, Josh! I appreciate the encouragement. My lender did mention that I'm subject to much more strict inspection criteria because it's an FHA loan. Do you (or does anybody) have any experience with FHA-type inspections?

Post: New please help me with these numbers

Edward StephensPosted
  • Realtor and Investor
  • Leawood, KS
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 78
Originally posted by @Marvin Briscoe:

@Justin Tahilramani- The reason I dont want to start with a "solid" duplex or Triplex is they ask well over 150k for them around here. Then only being able to rent them out at most $600/month it would take over a decade to get a return on my investment.

 Are you familiar with the 1% Rule and the 50% Rule?  Are you applying these rules when looking at your multi-family properties?

Post: Need help analyzing my first duplex deal

Edward StephensPosted
  • Realtor and Investor
  • Leawood, KS
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 78
Originally posted by @Justin Tahilramani:

@Edward Stephens - How long has this property been on the market? Your calculations are based on "list price". You can easily offer 10 - 15% lower than asking price. How old are the units? 

 The units were built in 1972.  Is it a rule of thumb in real estate circles to offer 10-15% below the list price?  I wasn't planning to offer full price, but I'd like to know if the 10-15% Rule is widely used.

Post: Need help analyzing my first duplex deal

Edward StephensPosted
  • Realtor and Investor
  • Leawood, KS
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 78
Originally posted by @Justin Tahilramani:

@Edward Stephens - How long has this property been on the market? Your calculations are based on "list price". You can easily offer 10 - 15% lower than asking price. How old are the units? 

Good question. It's actually not on the market yet! I talked to the agent and he believes they'll be listed on the MLS in a couple weeks. The age of the units is unknown, but they are at least 15 years old by the looks of the outside and surrounding properties. I'll have to ask the agent tomorrow.

Post: Need help analyzing my first duplex deal

Edward StephensPosted
  • Realtor and Investor
  • Leawood, KS
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 78

Dear BP Community,

I am looking to invest in a duplex – live in one side (with a roommate), then rent out the other side. I am currently analyzing a deal in my area and would like the BP community to council me. Here are the numbers:

List Price: $184,950Estimated P&I: $826.55/mo

Estimated PMI: $81.80/mo

Taxes:$2617/yr

HOA: $0 (there isn't an HOA)

Estimated Insurance: $1017.23/yr (will get quote from agent soon)

Loan Type: FHA

Down Payment 3.5%

Interest Rate: 3.75%

Unit 1 (4 Bedroom) Rent: $1070/mo (currently leased until July 2016)

Unit 2 (3 bedroom and bonus room) Estimated Rent: $1070/mo

Estimated Monthly Maintenance Expense:10%

Estimated Monthly Vacancy Expense: 10%

Estimated Monthly Capital Expense: 10%

Estimated Monthly Property Management Fee: 0% (I’ll manage it)

Estimated Rehab Costs: Less than $3000

According to Rentometer.com, the rental rate of Unit 1 is $125/mo below the median rent of the area, and Unit 2 is at the median rent of the area. I plan to verify the local rates using more credible resources.

I drove by the place yesterday. There were no obvious issues with drainage from improper landscaping, the roof is in decent shape, and adjacent property owners are keeping the neighborhood neat and clean. There weren’t any eye sores or ugly houses in close proximity to the property in question.

Because I don’t plan to live in the duplex for more than a few years, I applied the 1% Rule and 50% Rule as if I weren’t living at the property, and here’s what I found:

If I had two tenants, one in each unit, this property would meet the 1% Rule because gross income will be $2140/mo, which is greater than 1% of the purchase price ($1849.50/mo).

Also, the 50% rule would be met because $1070 covers my mortgage and P&I (estimated at $826.55+$81.80=$908.35).

***Now for the tricky part***

I want to have positive cashflow on this property after factoring in conservative estimates of all expenses (e.g., 10% estimated monthly maintenance expenses). So my plan is to get a roommate to live in the 3 bedroom (plus bonus room) unit with me. I may be able charge him $662/mo in rent. That way, I still come out with more than $1.00/mo in positive cashflow.

But when I applied the 1% Rule and 50% Rule assuming I won’t personally pay a dime out of pocket for rent, my property doesn’t pass either rule.

Please let me know what I did well/didn’t do well on my analysis of this deal. I’m very new to the real estate investing scene and appreciate any constructive feedback. Please also let me know if I should be at all concerned about meeting the 1% Rule or 50% Rule when analyzing the property without me having to pay a dime. Thanks in advance and let me know if there is anything else I need to clarify. -Edward

Post: New Real Estate Investor in KC

Edward StephensPosted
  • Realtor and Investor
  • Leawood, KS
  • Posts 165
  • Votes 78

Hello Forum,

  My name is Edward and a year ago I was inspired by Robert Kiyosaki (author and entrepreneur) to begin a journey into real estate investing.  I read almost all the Rich Dad's Advisor books, and earned my real estate license.  I haven't done much with it, but I believe I got some good experience.  Since then, I've been saving 11% of my income in hopes of putting a down payment on a very inexpensive condo north of the river.  That will be my headquarters while I grind it out (including getting a roommate), saving most of my money and buying/holding single family homes .  My goal is to retire very young, and I'm 27 now.  I really look forward to using biggerpockets.com to aid me in achieving my dreams and also adding to the community so others can achieve theirs.  

All the Best,

Edward