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All Forum Posts by: Edward Liu

Edward Liu has started 4 posts and replied 228 times.

One last suggestion - ask the owner if you can purchase 51 units.  If you can, then you are in the driver seat for the reverse of all the things above - you can hire your own operations.  Then it would be a good deal.

I have heard horror stories when HOA and management company is controlled by single owner. That owner can raise HOA fees, do special assessment, etc. at will as they have full control. They can do major improvements to units they own while you pay most of the cost. I even heard a story of a controlling owner did a special distribution of HOA reserve back to owners before person sold his properties.

You assume people will be professional, but power and money corrupts.

Post: Invest all cash in a new property?

Edward LiuPosted
  • Palo Alto, CA
  • Posts 230
  • Votes 200

I do all cash deals to get a leg up in a competitive market - usually sellers prefer cash buyers who can quickly close the deal.  Then I do refinance (usually within 1 year) after I place a long term tenant.  

Post: Help evaluate a property

Edward LiuPosted
  • Palo Alto, CA
  • Posts 230
  • Votes 200

For SFH or duplex, you can get under contract and then ask for more details later. For these commercial 5+ units, we usually request info first before making an offer. For example, for SFH or duplex, normally owner is not responsible for utilities, but for 5+, owner can be responsible for some or all utilities. Depends on utilities cost (varies a lot), it drastically changes the valuation. Before offer, please at least get basic details about the property, then once under contract, then verify if initial details are accurate.

Without much info, based on your rent, price and class C, likely this deal is negative cash flow or very low CAP. For class C, higher rent to price ratio for 5+ is needed. I don't know enough about the local market to say if deal is over priced.

You can not finance 12 unit with conventional loan.  Banks will underwrite conventional loans for 1-4 units, 5+ is treated as commercial.  

In addition, for larger multi-plex, not sure if you want to get loan into your person name. Typically we don't mix personal finance with LLC finance (maintain a wall). If wall is not well established, your personal assets could be held liable to liability from LLC

Post: US Real Estate and US vs China Trade War

Edward LiuPosted
  • Palo Alto, CA
  • Posts 230
  • Votes 200

Due to trade war, there is significant less Chinese investment in the US.  See article https://markets.businessinside...

A few years ago, there were so many Chinese cash buyers in hot markets such as SF Bay area, Seattle, LA, NY, etc. that it helped propel the real estate valuation. My wife has a client from China that brought up 1000+ SFH in Houston and Dallas, all paid in cash. Many other Chinese clients brought tens to hundreds properties each. All of these clients have stopped buying around 1-2 years ago.

As real estate investors, we are all indirect losers in the trade war - although not very obvious vs. groups such as farmers.

Post: Section 8 housing multi family rentals

Edward LiuPosted
  • Palo Alto, CA
  • Posts 230
  • Votes 200

In really depends on the city authority that manages it.  I have section 8 tenants in different cities and experience varies a lot.

In one of the cities, the inspector always find long list of issues to fix with every inspection and blame owner for tenant issues.  With city so pro tenant, section 8 tenants thinks they can get away with anything, and they do.  They have no incentive to take care of the unit or building.  Too many ridiculous stories to share.  

On the other side, in another city, one of units I own has same section 8 tenant for over 15 years.  No problem at all.  I have inspected the unit recently and it is one of cleanest units for any type tenants I have seen.

In addition to the city, you might need to consider how section 8 tenant affects your other tenants and neighborhood.  Many section 8 tenants don't have jobs and with many kids.  Some have tendency to 'hang out' on the poach.  In a B/B- area, where I inherited one section 8 tenant.  My other units in the same neighborhood initially had issue attracting good tenants despite being in pretty good location.  My property manager advised and removed the section 8 tenant.  Once the section 8 tenant was gone, other units in the same neighborhood immediately saw better tenant base and had less time on the market.

Post: Multifamily Loans for International Investor

Edward LiuPosted
  • Palo Alto, CA
  • Posts 230
  • Votes 200

Most banks would not lend to non US residents or people with limited tie in the US.  Even for US Citizens, many US banks won't do loans with investors from out of the state (they want local tie).  

Post: Invest in B class or C class?

Edward LiuPosted
  • Palo Alto, CA
  • Posts 230
  • Votes 200

I used to do more C areas to chase the returns, now I prefer to invest in better areas with better schools and better tenants.  Better areas do have better tenants and much less issues, no matter what city/region you invest in.  

Over long term, better area has better returns (less tenant turn over, rents on time, less management fees, less turn cost, better rent increase rate, etc.).  In addition, better area tend to have higher appreciation %.

Post: Average home insurance price for triplex in CT?

Edward LiuPosted
  • Palo Alto, CA
  • Posts 230
  • Votes 200

I recently purchased insurances for 2 different duplexes in Hartford area, cost about $1500 per year for each property.  Insurance is full replacement cost along with $1M liability.  The insurance is through 'the Andover Companies' and purchased through a broker.