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All Forum Posts by: Eric C.

Eric C. has started 13 posts and replied 197 times.

Post: Selling half a house to a significant other

Eric C.Posted
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  • Grand Junction, CO
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Originally posted by @Cara Lonsdale:

 Both of those ideas are what YOU would do.  What if your partner doesn't agree?  What if the partnership sours (which can happen in ANY partnership) and your partner decides to stop paying the mortgage, but won't sign off on a sale?  Spiteful people can do crazy things.

The solution may seem simple to you, but if you have an unwilling partner that you are REQUIRED to work with because they are on title, you may find your hands tied on a ship that is going down.

 Yes that scenario happens thousands of times every day in America between married couples.  Sounds Risky.  

Post: Selling half a house to a significant other

Eric C.Posted
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  • Grand Junction, CO
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Originally posted by @Cara Lonsdale:
Originally posted by @Eric C.:
Originally posted by @Cara Lonsdale:

That scenario would be no different than if we, or any two, married or not, romantic or not, bought a separate place to live in.  Many couples buy a property together.  In fact most do.  This is what most commenting here fail to even consider.  They say "go buy a different place together" and sure, we could do that but the underlying risk that you and all are saying is still there, whether it is this or any other property, and whether we are married or not.  

 Hold on here.  I am not making any judgments about your partnership.  I prefaced my comments that way.  I understand that you feel defensive because of the many posters focusing on your marital status instead of your question.  But I am not doing that.  So, please go back and really read what I wrote.

You are right in some regard, it IS no different.  I mentioned the default scenario, as that IS an issue in ANY partnership structure, where the capital is in different forms.  If 1 person comes in with cash, but the other is loaned, that provides an issue in the case of default because the entire asset would be collateralized.  So, how will you save your interest in your half if it is foreclosed on?

This IS, however, different in that you are adding layers (as I mentioned) that complicate partnerships.

Look at the syndication model.  This is a good one for comparison.  A bunch of investors go in on a deal together with a syndicator managing the decisions (you will see why this person becomes an important role).  The investment is held for 3 years (can be any length of time, but usually is a 3 year or 5 year average), and then sold.  Of course if the market shifts, or the rents shift, there could be cause to sell sooner or later, but the point is that the syndicator decides, not the group of investors as they may all have different opinions about what to do.  NOW, IF all but 1 investor came in with cash, and the 1 came in with a loan that tied up the property and then defaulted, it would put the other investors in a high risk position.  You would NEVER get an investor to buy into that deal.  

So, as an investor, I am telling you that what you are proposing has flaws that you need to consider.

The pink, blue and purple is great for when things are going well.  However, you need a solution for when they don't (and let's hope you never have to use it).  So, when you can answer the question, "What do I do if she defaults on the loan" to a satisfactory result, then you may be able to find a solution.

 I am not being defensive, I am saying that in any partnership there is risk and needs to be some exit strategy.  If I have to sell the place, it isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things.  Or I take the money originally paid out and buy back the equity.  Everything is simple.  

Post: House Hack Bubble and Return of the Sub Prime

Eric C.Posted
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  • Grand Junction, CO
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 That doesn't really affect people currently drawing SS, and probably won't affect those within a year or two of drawing.  It is us unlucky folk that are still 25 years or more from drawing that are getting ripped off.  We will pay in, but not collect much at all.  

Post: Selling half a house to a significant other

Eric C.Posted
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  • Grand Junction, CO
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Originally posted by @Cara Lonsdale:

That scenario would be no different than if we, or any two, married or not, romantic or not, bought a separate place to live in.  Many couples buy a property together.  In fact most do.  This is what most commenting here fail to even consider.  They say "go buy a different place together" and sure, we could do that but the underlying risk that you and all are saying is still there, whether it is this or any other property, and whether we are married or not.  

Post: Should I sell or rent

Eric C.Posted
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Now that you have left your previous job, how do you plan to finance the properties you wish to acquire? 

Post: I want to sell my property to an AirBNB investor - Need some advi

Eric C.Posted
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  • Grand Junction, CO
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If it is such a good purchase for someone wanting to do AirBnB, why not do that yourself?  AirBnB it and make all that money?

Post: Selling half a house to a significant other

Eric C.Posted
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  • Grand Junction, CO
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Originally posted by @Aaron Hunt:

 A contract between two adults is easier to settle than what you will go through when your wife finally runs off with the person she is currently sleeping with.  

Post: I want to sell my property to an AirBNB investor - Need some advi

Eric C.Posted
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 This is good stuff here!!!

Post: Selling half a house to a significant other

Eric C.Posted
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Originally posted by @Sandra Holt:

You could sign a contract stating that all equity buildup that accrues after signing the TIC contract is split 50/50 and that's a way to make the transaction easier. Really you can contract just about anything and if it's reasonable (and courts are liberal with "reasonable"), then your contact terms will be upheld and you can avoid potential litigation over the purple share of the equity.

 THANKS!  This is very useful.  Basically that is what we were looking at doing.  

Post: Selling half a house to a significant other

Eric C.Posted
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  • Grand Junction, CO
  • Posts 207
  • Votes 201
Originally posted by @Aaron Hunt:
Originally posted by @Eric C.:
Originally posted by @Sandra Holt:

As a divorce attorney, I completely agree with not mixing pre- and post- marital assets.  Get married first, then combine assets.  It's not pessimism, it's just good advice.  

 I am not disagreeing, I am just trying to understand why this is considered mixing assets, rather than a transaction.  Given there would be documentation as to the ownership rights of the property, no different than any other business partnership, there would not be a mixing of assets.  Marriage would be combining assets, this would not.  She would have her equity in the property, and I would have mine....All spelled out on paper.  Sure, things could happen and we might have to sell the property to divide the assets....but in the grand scheme of things, that is no big deal.  

What if one of you doesn't want to sell the property?

 Oh, you're SO RIGHT.  If we were married and bought a place together, and then one wanted to sell, and the other one didn't, that would solve everything.  Thanks for coming back into the discussion.  I missed your wisdom and insight.