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All Forum Posts by: Dustin Beam

Dustin Beam has started 51 posts and replied 607 times.

Post: Where from here if not syndication?

Dustin BeamPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 609
  • Votes 321
Quote from @Gino Barbaro:

@Dustin Beam

Tough decision. I read the book Small Giants and it helped with what we were trying to accomplish. I would look for a partner with a strong balance sheet, and consider working with that person, assuming your values and goals align.

I would also consider selling any smaller assets and trying to roll into larger deals. If you're not going to take outside capital, and not going to partner with others, it will limit your ability to grow.

We have gotten to a point where we can fund our own deals without syndicating. Although, if an amazing deal comes by that we don't have the capital, we will syndicate.

Gino


 Thanks Gino. Gaining a 3rd partner with a strong balance sheet like you describe may be the best option. I currently have a partner, which I am not trying to separate from, so I'm ok with partnerships. I just don't too many chefs in the kitchen. 

A some point, selling properties may start to make sense. We have refinanced all our money out of the smaller deals, so we will need to wait a bit for some equity gain. 

Also, thanks for doing your podcast. I've listened to many of them and they have helped me along the way. 

Post: Where from here if not syndication?

Dustin BeamPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 609
  • Votes 321
Quote from @David Lilley:

@Dustin Beam are you doing MF? It depends what you see as growth. If you don't want to deal with other people, find more debt. Preferred equity isn't cheap these days, but could help as well.

Yea most of what I have is multifamily. 

Post: Where from here if not syndication?

Dustin BeamPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 609
  • Votes 321
Quote from @Justin Moy:
Quote from @Dustin Beam:

So quick back story, I started investing in 2016 (or was it 2015?) and things have gone well as it has for most people. I was able to quit my job in 2020. I should also mention that I have a partner for most of the property I own. 

Typically purchases were made through buying value add properties and refinancing the cash out and recycling the money. That should continue to work fine, but I'd like to throw a little gas on the fire. 

Problem is, I don't want to syndicate. It doesn't really fit in with my goals. Mainly my partner and I don't really want to sell. Also taking on too many partners could get messy. 

So with that in mind, any real way to accelerate growth? Or do I just keep doing what I'm doing? I've considered taking on "investors" as debt partners for down payments so long as the bank agrees and the dscr still works at full financing. Not sure how feasible that would be for all parties involved. Any thoughts are appreciated. 

Thanks! 


 It sounds like cash is the main obstacle preventing you from scaling as quickly as you'd like? If that's the case then it's not impossible to look for some bridge private capital investors to help with downpayments, it could get pricey though since they'd be in second position so I'd be ready for those terms to be much more aggressive at least until you do a few successful transactions with them. 

I know it will always depend on the parties involved, but what would you consider a "normal" interest rate for the private money? 

Post: Where from here if not syndication?

Dustin BeamPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 609
  • Votes 321
Quote from @Greg Scott:

I syndicate deals but have several big-time investor friends that don't.

One has over 100 single family houses, and he is not a buy & hold forever type guy.  He has built up a team and is constantly buying homes, renting them for a few years, then selling them.

Another started in single family homes but long ago also started buying small apartments.  He has probably 15 single family homes and about 10 apartments of around 20 units in size.

Neither raise money from outside investors and neither have partners, but they have built a team around them to execute their plan


 That's more or less the path I'm on except I have a partner. I'd just like to accelerate the process a little more, and capital is currently my biggest hurdle. Seems like most people in my situation move on to syndication, but it's probably not for me. The answer to my question may very well be "just keep doing what has worked so far". 

Quote from @Mark Jones:

Have a good contact for a PM company in Kansas City if you need it!

@Jason Malabute agree with your comments about the Indy market.  I have been investing here for over 20 years and it has been great for me!  


 Hi Mark, I'm happy with my KC property manager, but I'd like to know which PM you like should something go wrong w/ my current PM. Mind sharing?

Post: Where from here if not syndication?

Dustin BeamPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 609
  • Votes 321

So quick back story, I started investing in 2016 (or was it 2015?) and things have gone well as it has for most people. I was able to quit my job in 2020. I should also mention that I have a partner for most of the property I own. 

Typically purchases were made through buying value add properties and refinancing the cash out and recycling the money. That should continue to work fine, but I'd like to throw a little gas on the fire. 

Problem is, I don't want to syndicate. It doesn't really fit in with my goals. Mainly my partner and I don't really want to sell. Also taking on too many partners could get messy. 

So with that in mind, any real way to accelerate growth? Or do I just keep doing what I'm doing? I've considered taking on "investors" as debt partners for down payments so long as the bank agrees and the dscr still works at full financing. Not sure how feasible that would be for all parties involved. Any thoughts are appreciated. 

Thanks! 

Post: Challenging Commercial Multifamily Appraisal

Dustin BeamPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 609
  • Votes 321
Quote from @Vince Liu:
Quote from @Dustin Beam:
Originally posted by @Darryl Matthews:

@Dustin Beam I have run into this multiple times. Obviously comps always help. The most successful I've been is hiring an outside appraiser. Yes there is an extra cost but I've been able to compare and use the outside appraisers comps to change the opinion. 

Thank you for the advice, we will consider that if needed. Of course I'd love to avoid that, but agree it would be worth it if necessary. 

We really just need him to reevaluate the CAP rate. The appraiser provided a 10 year table showing cap rate changes on A-D classes. He only shows a compression of 0.25-0.5 percent from 2012 to today. That is crazy.


 Hi Dustin - curious to say how did it end up? I'm running into the same issue so wanted to see how did it work out at the end. I feel like you can always sell it, but at the end of the day you would want to own real estate instead of just flip real estate right?


We ended up just going to a different bank. 

I wouldn't normally do this, but I think it's worth letting people know...but the original bank was Bank of the West with Joe Lally as our loan officer. We ended up just being willing to go with the lower appraised value and accepting the LTV of that value. But after paying for expensive appraisals, they came back and said they did not like our level of cash reserves and denied the loan. This was after they received ALL of our financials, so our cash reserves was well known. Furthermore, I asked Joe point blank 3-4 times that if our reserves were not enough, how much would we need to get approved. He hemmed and hawed every time. Basically is was a BS answer. I will never consider him or Bank of the West for future business. Sorry for the rant, but feel like it needs to be said!

Post: Should I fire my PM or am I overreacting?

Dustin BeamPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 609
  • Votes 321

So I got a couple full duplexes back in November where each unit is renting for around $1000/mo. Market rent for them is approximately $1500-1600 give or take. I made a plan with my PM to get the tenants through the holidays and have rent raised to about $1250. I asked the PM to let the tenants know about this in December so they could have time to plan and make a decision.

Fast forward to Feb 7th and I asked politely if the rents had been raised because online report looked like they had not. No response. I followed up a few days later (10th) in case the email got lost in the shuffle. No response. I texted yesterday, no response. 

Firing them has a couple problems. One, they manage 48 units of which I'm 50% owner, so firing them from my non-partnership properties could cause problems to my partnership properties. Not exactly fair to my partner when they are doing fine on those. Secondly, I used to self manage some of my property that I handed off to them Jan 1st. Tenants won't exactly like to go to another property manager already, so not real good for business in that regard either.

At the same time, I don't appreciate getting ghosted. 

Trying to make this a strictly business decision, but I won't lie that emotionally I'm bothered by what I consider blatant disrespect (when I've always been easy to work with).

WWBPD?

Post: Crypto Re-investing into Real Estate

Dustin BeamPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 609
  • Votes 321
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
Originally posted by @Dustin Beam:

How does the IRS view trading? In other words, if you found a unique seller that would trade property for crypto, would the IRS come after any taxes? 

 This is considered bartering, which is taxable at the fair market value of the item exchanged. Just Google barter and IRS to find the relevant details and forms. 

There is no "like kind exchange", so even buying and selling different crypto doesn't shield you from taxes either. 

 I kind of figured, but never really thought about it. Uncle Sam always wants his slice haha

Post: Crypto Re-investing into Real Estate

Dustin BeamPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 609
  • Votes 321

How does the IRS view trading? In other words, if you found a unique seller that would trade property for crypto, would the IRS come after any taxes?