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All Forum Posts by: Avery Moore

Avery Moore has started 4 posts and replied 40 times.

Quote from @Brendan Harrison:

Hey!

Congrats on expanding your rental portfolio! To address your questions:

1.Purchasing with an LLC: Yes, you can buy properties under your LLC. However, financing can be different from the conventional route. Traditional loans (like FHA) are for individuals, not LLCs, so you'd typically need a commercial or portfolio loan when buying through your LLC. These loans usually consider the property's cash flow more than your personal income/credit.

2.Switching to an LLC: Transferring your property into your LLC can offer asset protection, but it won't necessarily make it easier to get future properties unless you're using LLC-friendly financing. Keep in mind that transferring the property could trigger a due-on-sale clause from your current lender, so you'll want to check the details of your loan before making the switch.

Hope this helps!


Thanks for your response. The mortgage company did mention the "due-on-sale clause" being that the loan is a FHA loan which I plan to keep it for the loan debt has decreased from making payments.

Quote from @Mike Tamulevich:
Quote from @Avery Moore:
Quote from @Mike Tamulevich:

Great questions! Let me break them down for you:

Purchasing a Property through Your LLC:
Yes, you can definitely purchase properties under your LLC, and it's actually a common strategy for investors looking to grow their portfolio. The key difference is that when buying as an LLC, you won't typically qualify for traditional FHA or conventional mortgages. Instead, you'd likely look at commercial loans or portfolio loans. These loans are based more on the property's income potential rather than your personal financials, though your personal credit might still play a role, especially if your LLC is newer. Keep in mind that these loans can come with slightly higher interest rates and shorter terms, but they do allow you to keep your investment separate from your personal finances.

Switching the Property to Your LLC:
Transferring the property to your LLC can be beneficial for a couple of reasons. First, it offers liability protection—keeping your personal assets separate from your business assets. Second, it can help when it comes to future investments, as building a strong rental portfolio under your LLC can make it easier to secure loans for future purchases. However, before making the switch, it’s important to check with your current lender. Transferring a property with an existing mortgage to your LLC can sometimes trigger a “due-on-sale” clause, which could require you to pay off the loan immediately.

    If you're thinking about expanding your rental portfolio, switching to an LLC could give you more flexibility and protection as you grow. If you want more personalized advice or help managing your properties, feel free to reach out—we'd love to help!


     Hi Mike,
    Purchasing through LLC:
    My LLC is over 4 years, commercial loans would have a higher interest rates how shorter the terms would be 15 years with 7%? Is there a chart or calculator that would give me estimates? (I'm a numbers guy). Being that the loans are based on the potential income, would employment also be a factor?

    Switching the property to LLC:
    I would like the liability protection on this property which I had for 6 years now. I have to check with my mortgage company, could a quick claim be consider?

    Thanks for your reply!!

    For a commercial loan at 7% over 15 years, you can use an online loan calculator to estimate your monthly payments. A good option is Bankrate’s Loan Calculator. Just input the loan amount, interest rate, and term to clearly understand your costs. Remember, while these loans are based on potential income from the property, your employment and personal income will still be factors in the lender's decision.

    Regarding switching the property to an LLC for liability protection, a quitclaim deed can transfer ownership, but it's important to check with your mortgage company first. They may have specific requirements for such a transfer to ensure you comply with your loan agreement.

    If you have any more questions, feel free to ask!



    Thanks for your response you were right. The mortgage company stated that if I were to get the loan switched to my LLC, being that it was under FHA I'd have to restructure the loan basically start over. A quitclaim deed wouldn't be honored. Moving forward my future investment property will be under a commercial loan.

    Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

    Putting property under an LLC complicates matters. It doesn't provide as much protection as most people think, it's not as easy as they think, protection isn't as necessary as you think, and it may actually hurt you by complicating your life.

    An LLC is useful for two things: anonymity and legal protection. In most cases, neither is warranted.

    Warning: I am not an attorney, and this can be a complicated topic. Please note the information provided below is a layman's definition designed to provide a basic understanding for the general audience. You should consult an attorney or CPA for your specific situation.

    ANONYMITY: When you create the LLC, your name is recorded on the documents and published on the Secretary of State's website for all to see. So you're not completely anonymous. If you want to be completely anonymous, you can use a Registered Agent. The Registered Agent will record the documents on your behalf so only their name and information appear on the documents. I've done this with my properties because I'm well known in my small town and don't want people to know what I own.

    LEGAL PROTECTION: By placing your assets in an LLC, you are legally separating them from your personal assets. If someone injures themselves and sues, they will be suing the LLC and not you personally. If your insurance coverage isn't enough, they could seize the LLC assets, but not your personal assets.

    Additional thoughts:

    1. An LLC is not free. You can spend as little as $100 to form an LLC, or you could use an attorney and spend $1,000 or more. There are also additional costs of operating and maintaining an LLC, like separate bank accounts, annual report filings, tax filings, etc.

    2. There are rules to follow! If you fail to follow the rules, you may open your personal assets to a lawsuit. An example of this would be mixing your personal money and LLC money in the same bank account.

    3. You do not need a separate LLC for each property or a series LLC! Don't make your life more complicated than it has to be. Most professionals will recommend a separate LLC for every $1 million in assets but I don't think that's necessary. In my case, I have residential rentals in one LLC, commercial properties in another, self storage in a third, and my real estate company operates in a fourth. Some have more than $1 million in equity while others have less.

    4. The need for an LLC is grossly exaggerated on BiggerPockets and other websites. Have you ever heard of a Landlord being sued by a Tenant and losing property? I've been on this board since 2010 and haven't found an example yet. You've probably heard of big Landlords losing property, but only because they were flagrantly violating Fair Housing, running a slum, or otherwise violating the law in an egregious manner. You are more likely to be struck by lightning twice. The vast majority of lawsuits against Landlords are for wrongful eviction, security deposit disputes, and Fair Housing Violations. Your primary insurance policy with $300,000 in liability coverage should be sufficient in 99.999% of all lawsuits.

    5. The best protection for you and your investments? Know and obey the law. I manage around 400 rentals with 14 years of experience and have never been sued once. Even if I were sued, I document everything and obey the law, so I won't be found guilty. Even if I were found guilty, the cost would be in the thousands, not in the millions. Insurance would cover it, I would pay the deductible, and no assets would be lost.

    If you are in an area like San Diego where people are more likely to sue, a judge is more likely to find you guilty, and the payout is expected to be higher, you may consider an umbrella insurance policy. This policy will provide additional coverage above what your existing policy covers. It's easy to obtain, costs very little, and doesn't require extra, on-going effort to maintain.

    1. The LLC has been established for 6 years now, I pay for it annually just want to know how to fully use it to separate from my personal assets. I also have separate banks so that's confirmation that I'm on the right path. 

    5.
    Would a LLC being put into a trust be a better option for protection?

    Thanks for your response.
    Quote from @Deborah Pyburn:
    Quote from @Avery Moore:

    Hey BP,
    I am a landlord looking to expand in rental properties. I've done it the traditional way of using my credentials; credit, job/salary, personal info. to getting a FHA loan. Although, initially the property was for personal use then things happened were I wasn't comfortable with the area and the extra space so I decided to rent it out, now its on section 8. After making that decision I later created a LLC but did not switch the property over to the LLC.

    My 2 questions are:

    1. Is there a way to purchase a property as a business move with your LLC instead of doing it the conventional way?

    2. Would switching the property to my LLC help for looking for future investment properties?

    Thanks!


    Hi Avery. I would HIGHLY recommend acquiring all future properties under your LLC or business to protect your personal assets. It will also make year end accounting and reconciliation so much easier and showing your assets vs liabilities for future lenders - whether traditional or hard money.


     Thanks!

    Quote from @Mike Tamulevich:

    Great questions! Let me break them down for you:

    Purchasing a Property through Your LLC:
    Yes, you can definitely purchase properties under your LLC, and it's actually a common strategy for investors looking to grow their portfolio. The key difference is that when buying as an LLC, you won't typically qualify for traditional FHA or conventional mortgages. Instead, you'd likely look at commercial loans or portfolio loans. These loans are based more on the property's income potential rather than your personal financials, though your personal credit might still play a role, especially if your LLC is newer. Keep in mind that these loans can come with slightly higher interest rates and shorter terms, but they do allow you to keep your investment separate from your personal finances.

    Switching the Property to Your LLC:
    Transferring the property to your LLC can be beneficial for a couple of reasons. First, it offers liability protection—keeping your personal assets separate from your business assets. Second, it can help when it comes to future investments, as building a strong rental portfolio under your LLC can make it easier to secure loans for future purchases. However, before making the switch, it’s important to check with your current lender. Transferring a property with an existing mortgage to your LLC can sometimes trigger a “due-on-sale” clause, which could require you to pay off the loan immediately.

      If you're thinking about expanding your rental portfolio, switching to an LLC could give you more flexibility and protection as you grow. If you want more personalized advice or help managing your properties, feel free to reach out—we'd love to help!


       Hi Mike,
      Purchasing through LLC:
      My LLC is over 4 years, commercial loans would have a higher interest rates how shorter the terms would be 15 years with 7%? Is there a chart or calculator that would give me estimates? (I'm a numbers guy). Being that the loans are based on the potential income, would employment also be a factor?

      Switching the property to LLC:
      I would like the liability protection on this property which I had for 6 years now. I have to check with my mortgage company, could a quick claim be consider?

      Thanks for your reply!!

      Hey BP,
      I am a landlord looking to expand in rental properties. I've done it the traditional way of using my credentials; credit, job/salary, personal info. to getting a FHA loan. Although, initially the property was for personal use then things happened were I wasn't comfortable with the area and the extra space so I decided to rent it out, now its on section 8. After making that decision I later created a LLC but did not switch the property over to the LLC.

      My 2 questions are:

      1. Is there a way to purchase a property as a business move with your LLC instead of doing it the conventional way?

      2. Would switching the property to my LLC help for looking for future investment properties?

      Thanks!

      I use mysmartmove it weeds out a lot depending on which package you pay for.

      Quote from @Laci White:

      A few things here: 

      1. The security deposit is not rent. This needs to be held separate and apart from any rent proceeds (typically in an escrow or trust account) until the tenant moves out. No part of the security deposit should be refunded until the tenant moves out. Did the Lemus pay just a security deposit upfront or did they pay some portion of rent in addition to the security deposit?

      2. The housing authority is paying rent on behalf of this tenant. Did the housing authority send payment for the full month of rent or did they prorate it? If the housing authority sent the full month's rent, I would let the tenant know that the housing authority sent full payment and deemed no proration was necessary.

      3. If this were not a section 8 tenant, you would need to prorate the rent based on the lease start date documented in the lease agreement regardless of possession (unless the lease states otherwise).

      4. Since the lease is fully executed, if you do want to return their money and get another tenant, you would need to return the money to Lemus, not to the tenant, as it was not them who paid upfront funds. Also, I would recommend getting from the tenant in writing that they agree to terminate the lease and have you refund upfront funds to Lemus. You'll want to have them sign this document if you decide to terminate. However, it sounds like this can be resolved pretty easily though and I would try to keep the tenant in place.

      Hope this helps!


       Sorry for the late response, new laptop, new login.

      Thanks for your input.

      1. Lemus paid for the security deposit, the tenant paid for half the months rent. 
      2. The housing authority did send the rest of the prorated rent, (I didn't expect it)
      3. Thanks, I was thinking that would be the proper way if its wasn't. 
      4. Everything went smooth, it was also here first time on the program. The housing authority explained all the protocol. There were a lot of scams here so I was just a little skeptical about the Lemus program. Its been 3 months now and everything is great.

      Thanks again


      Good morning BP community,
      This is my first-time having using the section 8 program in having a tenant. It wasn't easy going through applicants being that its Atlanta & it's a lot of people applying from other states as well as people that don't reply or want something for nothing. I selected the applicant that I thought was best fit. With that being said here's the situation that I am needing some insight on:

      1. The company LeumasGroup, paid for the security deposit which is 1st & last month rent.
      2. The move in date was expected to be May 1st being that the property passed the inspection April 29th
      3. The tenant was mailed the check & received it on May 6, we signed the lease and paperwork May 7th
      4. The tenant stated they're going out of town for a graduation, didn't get the keys that day (plus I wanted to make sure the check cleared)
      5. The tenant contacts me that Sunday and asked about prorating being that it was the middle of the month or starting the lease in June (???)
      6. Contacted the Housing Authority to confirm if I were to receive or deny money being that the security deposit was covered.
      7. agreed upon moving forward, May 14 an emergency happens & couldn't meet for the key

      The housing authority are very hard to contact for answers and the case worker for this case is on vacation this week. Am I overthinking about the procrastination of moving in/stalling? Should I return the money and look for another tenant? 

      Quote from @Matthew Paul:

      This is why when I list a property for rent , I dont post an address .  And I am in contact with the neighbors . I tell them its vacant and I tell them to call if they see someone trying to move in . 

      It will come to the point that some people will have to pay for a security patrol to visit the properties daily to avoid this . 

      does not posting the address helps, I'm only asking cause with Google image search there's ways to kinda find the area. I have a close relationship with a neighbor but that's still doesn't help when a criminal is motivated