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All Forum Posts by: Dustin P.

Dustin P. has started 17 posts and replied 523 times.

Post: Business due looking to brrr

Dustin P.Posted
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  • Tempe, AZ
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Welcome! I do deals in Phoenix feel free to reach out if you need anything

Post: Seller Financing but Negative Cash Flow

Dustin P.Posted
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Quote from @Dan H.:

A different perspective (I am often the contrarian on these cash flow discussions).

Question: if you could obtain $420k of a growth stock paying less than $60k over 5 years then having to obtain new financing or sell, I suspect most stock investors would jump at the opportunity. Note they both are relying on appreciation/growth for ROI.

I am not saying there are no differences: stock is passive, residential RE is much less passive. Depending on where the property is located, the property may not have a history of having appreciation similar to growth stocks. RE is easy to obtain recourse loans (only the property is the collateral) to obtain leverage. Stocks on the other hand would typically require collateralized assets (example margin loan or HELOC) to obtain leverage.

There is also the timing, RE has appreciated for 10 incredible years.  The interest rates have risen significantly (but still are historically low).  Can RE continue to appreciate in this environment?   in my market there has been some slight depreciation over the last couple of months.  

In my market I may make this purchase.  My market has historically been one of the top appreciation markets in the country.  Average rents have gone up at double digit percentage for most of the past 10 years and are expected to go up over 10% this year.   Most important I can take this risk because I have 8 digits of RE already producing returns. $400/month negative cash flow with the potential upside would not affect me.   I suspect I would not notice the negative cash flow except in my book keeping (I look at wealth every week, but $400/month would not be visible). 

Note initial cash flow does not equate to actual cash flow.  Cash flow can increase or decline.   What happened to Detroit cash flow at the Great Recession (not as bad but Las Vegas or much of Arizona)?  The higher rent growth market will always eventually be the better cash flow market (assuming the rent growth is greater than expense growth).  It is elementary math.  High initial cash flow markets are often this way because the expected rent growth is low or non-existent (think of places like Cleveland and other areas in the Midwest).  Low initial cash flow markets are often this way because the rent growth is expected to be significant.

I use the standard definition of investing which indicates an expectation of profit. This profit expectation would be via rent growth and property appreciation.  It is my view if you research your market and understand what is certain, what is likely, and what is unknown that you can determine if this is an appropriate investment.

I have made much more money from appreciation than cash flow. Cash flow is a single input into the ROI (and one that gets taxed annually making it non-optimal for wealth building). In many markets, the ROI is mostly achieved via appreciation.

Wealth is often generated by taking calculated risks. Ideally low risk items that can produce good/great upside.   The risk here seems low.   $60k over 5 years is low on a asset worth $420k.  You need to determine what is the upside and if the upside warrants the risk.


good luck


 This is a great post and a refreshing take Dan thank you!

Post: Looking for something to meet 1% rule in Arizona or TN

Dustin P.Posted
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You won't get anything like that in Phoenix. Potentially you may get .75% if you can get a good deal on it

Post: Leaking Roof, next steps?

Dustin P.Posted
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I would call the roofer who did the install 2 years ago and have him come check it out. It's probably something small like Mike said if it was just recently redone. It may be a couple hundred bucks fix if it's something like that (I had a similar issue on a rental, flashing around a vent)

Post: 10% of the homes on market in my area are owned by Opendoor

Dustin P.Posted
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One thing to keep in mind with open door is that they do charge a service fee when they buy the house (What I saw was 5%) and then almost always come back with $20k or more in repair credits after their inspection. These charges are shown on the settlement statement as credits and won't appear on the tax records

I agree though it's pretty nuts. I've been sending a lot of lowball offers recently and I'm getting a good chunk of them accepted. There are some opportunities out there

Post: Buyers or Sellers Market

Dustin P.Posted
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Quote from @Guillermo Perez Vargas:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

Curious for those who are active in the space.

Do you currently see it as a buyers or sellers market right now?

Do you think in 90 days this will have changed?

Love to get your feedback and opinions.


I'm in Phoenix AZ, so my opinions are valid only here. We just closed a Buy&Hold after holding for 10 yrs. we made a good profit BUT...
In June, houses where selling in less than 1 week! Ours was on the market 6 weeks. I'm seeing multiple price drops on the MLS. Houses have very few if any showings and have been on the market over 8 weeks.
On the property we sold we were lucky to not have to make any concessions, but if we were selling now, I would be ready to price aggressively and make concessions.
I think we are moving into a buyers market very quickly.

 I can attest for this in Phoenix. Trending very hard towards a buyer's market, maybe a month away

I got a new door and motor for around $1600 but that was at the beginning of the year. I agree above I think $2k should be the max price

Post: VA with no money down getting beat by all cash offers

Dustin P.Posted
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Quote from @Joel Case:
Quote from @Dustin P.:

I'd offer higher and waive inspection period


I did offer higher, but did not waive inspection. 

 The more contingencies you can remove from your offer, the more appealing it is to the seller

You could also do your due diligence before making the offer

Post: VA with no money down getting beat by all cash offers

Dustin P.Posted
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I'd offer higher and waive inspection period

Post: Wholesalers- are people still buying flips?

Dustin P.Posted
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  • Tempe, AZ
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Will be at roughly 15 for July. For sure down a little bit, and up a bit in cancellations. A lot of investors that are sitting on the sidelines. I expect this to pick up next month