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All Forum Posts by: Don Ireland

Don Ireland has started 15 posts and replied 62 times.

Post: Hold RE in Roth 401k?

Don IrelandPosted
  • Holts Summit, MO
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 9
Originally posted by @Rajeev Kotyan:

@Don Ireland: Great plan of action.. some points to remember and then appropriately act on:

(1) Mortgage to acquire --- must be non-recourse (i.e. you cannot guarantee the loan).

(2) At 70 1/2 your ROTH 401K is subject to Required Minimum Distribution (RMD), so either adequate cash has to be maintained for such in the account, or as William Morrison suggested take a distribution in kind. Please do note that for this you would have to do a formal fair market appraisal on an annual basis of the real estate that is held in the ROTH 401K.

(3) You do have the option to rollover your ROTH 401K to a ROTH IRA to prevent the RMD, but you may want to make sure that either the loan is paid off or the loan has the appropriate documentation to enable such a transfer. A transfer to the ROTH IRA may (but in this case may not) could activate UBIT (unrelated business income tax)

(4) In case of death, the ROTH 401K and the ROTH IRA appropriately transfer to the beneficiaries and then the appropriate RMD's begin (which requires a fair market appraisal on an annual basis). If there is an active loan this could trigger UBIT for a ROTH IRA (the code is not very clear on this one).

You have a good strategy, work with qualified and knowledgeable professionals who can assist and guide you through all the implementation steps.

1) yes that's the one major complication I see with this plan. 

2 & 3) it has been my understanding that an IRA is subject to RMD & a 401k is not. But in addition, if it is not subject to any tax (Roth) then it seems like I could pull out as much as I wanted without concerned of tax. Is that not the case?

Post: Hold RE in Roth 401k?

Don IrelandPosted
  • Holts Summit, MO
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 9

I've read advice here on BP saying that it doesn't make sense to hold RE in a "tax efficient account" because you "lose all your tax benefits of RE".  I find that puzzling and I'm looking for clarification.  

Sure you no longer deduct things like depreciation but if the house is a Roth asset (purchased using Roth funds), then doesn't that mean that there are NO TAXES from which to deduct?

My plan was to put after-tax-money in my Roth 401k plan and use that money for the downpayment and let the rents cover the mortgage and operating costs.  Having done that, it seems that all rents received and eventual capital gains will be completely tax free as long as I wait until I'm 59 1/2 before taking money out.  And if I DO want to use some of the funds before then, I can take a loan from the plan.