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All Forum Posts by: Jay Johal

Jay Johal has started 2 posts and replied 41 times.

Post: Review of Plans - San Diego New Dwelling unit and ADU build

Jay JohalPosted
  • Internal Medicine Physician
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 25

I know there are quite a few on here watching/following this thread and it is time for an update (11/12/19). 

I started 2 months ago, it took 1 month to get plans going, but then another month for all the Structural Engineering, Title 24 Calcs, and some other paperwork to be put together.

We eventually now have submitted to the City as of 10/29/19. (I am PRAYING it will be approved before the end of 2019 but realistically late January of 2020).

I have attached the latest plans for your guys review and commentary; constructive criticism welcomed.

PLANS: Shortened Submitted Plans on Google Drive (the original document is > 24 pages long and has some personal information on it)

So far I have paid: 

$600.00Land Survey
$4,333.00Architect Fee 1/3
$500.00Title 24 Calc
$1,280.00Structural Engineering
$6,520.23Plan Check Submitted 10/29
$4,333.00Architect Fee 2/3

So a total of ~17K and I am still estimating another 50K+ in just miscellaneous permitting fees and extra unexpected soft costs.

Update on Financing Options: My financing will come through a Construction Loan Via HomeBridge they are offering a 7/1 ARM (Interest only during construction) and we are looking at a rate of in the high 3% for an amount of probably 1.2-1.3 million. (They will take over the existing mortgage and become primary on the residence). I know construction loans are not ideal in terms of time efficiency and the headaches associated with them, but I could not beat this rate/price. Also the loan will automatically convert for a 30 year fixed at time of completion of the 2 units. I am only getting this loan as I am expecting the property to appraise for > 1.4 million.

Next Steps: I am super excited for this project to shape. So while I wait for the City and go back and forth with them on getting the plans approved, I've got my next set of steps in sight. 

1) Try to get comps of properties recently sold in the Area

2) Use said comps to justify a "Future Value Appraisal" by the Appraiser; I need the property to appraise > 1.4 mil

3) Obtain Bids from Contractors and select one (really nervous about this)

4) Close on the Loan and start interest payments while waiting for city approval. 

5) Find partners or more money to close on similar properties and start the process over again. =)

Post: newbie with questions about san diego market!

Jay JohalPosted
  • Internal Medicine Physician
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 25

Hey There! Welcome

1) San Diego has multiple different niches. You should try to identify what market you want to get into first, college rentals, vacation rentals, young professionals, familys, military, latino areas, asian areas, section 8, la jolla upscale. Based on who you want to serve, you can then identify the neighborhoods you want. 

2) There are plenty but you will have to educate them on exactly what you want. I suggest the real estate networking events like @Jason Graves said. 

3) I haven't tried it so I don't know. You will now be competing with iBuyers as well. 

4) See Number 1, identify your customer first and work backwards. You'll easily see then what neighborhood(s) would be best for you to focus on

5) People invest out of state all of the time, it is just a matter of comfort level and what you are hoping to achieve. You may have a leg up in the Maine market if you have boots on the ground there. People have different opinions on this but in the end, you have to do your DUE DILIGENCE. 

Post: Review of Plans - San Diego New Dwelling unit and ADU build

Jay JohalPosted
  • Internal Medicine Physician
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Justin R.:

Do it, Jay!  Couple comments:

1. 6' separation, especially with two story buildings, feels very narrow in real life.  And windows facing each other would not feel private at that distance.  Ideally the second story could be stepped back, even if just 12 or 24" for aesthetics.  But, that makes it harder to structure.  Know it's going to feel tight when you're done (but maybe that will be accepted in NP urban living).

2. I don't see on your site plan where all the tandem parking is.

3. Plan for your Instagram series to last two years.  You won't have this built in 12 months (that's a challenge and a prediction).  ;-)

4. Not a design thing, but I think your vertical costs will eclipse $375k when you're done.  

5. Whoever builds this will have challenges managing the site.  Totally doable, but not a lot of room to deal with material, trash, worker parking, spoils, and everything else.

Like I said - grab it by the horns!!!



Hey Justin, Thanks for reviewing my plans. I hope to work with you in the future as I get more traction.

1) I agree with you on the 6' foot of separation. Hopefully, the units entrances will be closer to the most open area and not feel so small. It is just unfortunate that due to set backs, I really can't push the units further apart otherwise I would. I went through 10+ iterations of plans upon finally deciding on this set.
2) the car ports will be the tandem spots, the drive way can fit 2 cars side by side (the tandem spots aren't listed because this isn't the final plans for the city)
3) I really hope you're wrong, I want this thing built in 9 months or less (granted there is not much rain delays)
4) I have my worse case scenario at 450K all in; 375K is a likely number
5) Site management is going to be a nightmare, I agree with you. I will be living in the main residence so I'm hoping to do some damage control but we will see how it goes

Post: Review of Plans - San Diego New Dwelling unit and ADU build

Jay JohalPosted
  • Internal Medicine Physician
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Daniel Garcia:

I'm curious to see how your project develops!


I have a duplex in SD off Imperial with tons of space left on the property for adding units. I hope to eventually add units much further down the line, but will definitely be following along on your project to see what I can learn.

Good luck! 

Build now otherwise you'll fall behind. There is a huge shortage of units and as years go by you'll continue to lose income you could have been generated from the get go. 

Post: Review of Plans - San Diego New Dwelling unit and ADU build

Jay JohalPosted
  • Internal Medicine Physician
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Dan H.:

My interpretation of the ADU rules is that they only apply to SFR. Furthermore, if you get approvals for it, there may be financing issues when you eventually go to sale (@Chris Mason).  However having stated this I believe @Justin R. has done what you propose.  

As for the plans, I like that each unit is detached.  I am going to assume plans have not already been approved  

I have concerns about the right side back unit being closer to property line than existing unit.  It looks to be about 2’ from the property line.  I have a similar concern about the back being 2’6” away from property line and significantly closer to property line than existing structure.  

I suppose the minimum parking is because property is near public transit. I am not a fan but they have loosened up providing parking significantly over the last few years. However, because you are adding more than an ADU, it may be an issue.

Please keep us apprised of how this proceeds.  

I am glad it is not next door to me.

Good luck

You can put a Duplex and ADU together. I went down to City Planning Department to confirm this and my architect as done it.

The plans are about to be submitted to structural engineering later this week once i get some more feedback. 

The new builds for the Companion unit/ADU are going to be 2' and 2'6" aware from my neighbors fences. This was done to allow a construction crew work along the edges of my property to build this unit. If I could have it my way, it would be literally on the property line but unfortunately I couldn't. The area of North Park in San Diego is very dense and houses are almost literally stacked on top of one another.

Parking is more lax where I live because I fall within the 1/2 mile transit priority. I don't need parking for the Companion Unit just the second dwelling unit for the duplex. 

Post: Review of Plans - San Diego New Dwelling unit and ADU build

Jay JohalPosted
  • Internal Medicine Physician
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 25

Hey Guys, 

I've taken the first steps into getting a drafter who's investor friendly and came highly recommended to take my primary residence and turn it into a Duplex + ADU (companion unit). My short term goal is to learn about development, zoning, and construction processes while building a 3 door rental property.

I have the first set of plans and was wondering if people could take a look and provide some feedback on them. I am located in San Diego, specifically North Park, in a multi-family zone. 

Google Drive PDF plans

More specifics on the project. 

Existing house structure is 1500 sq ft and will stand as is, no construction. 3bed 3bath Tandem parking (2 spots) and could rent for 3.5K+

Second Detached dwelling unit will be 1200 sq ft. 3Bed 2bath Tandem parking (2 spots) and conservative rent estimate is 3k

ADU/Companion Unit Detached will be 900 sq ft. 2bed 1.5bath (street parking) and conservative rent estimate 2k

My soft costs are expected to be 50-70K. My Hard costs for 2100 sq ft with need to replace main water line running into the street will be 300-350K.

I am hoping to take these plans to structural engineering soon and then submitting to the City of San Diego by first week of October. 

Post: I'm selling my long term rentals and buying beach property

Jay JohalPosted
  • Internal Medicine Physician
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 25

@Clint Harris

Hey Clint, love the post and discussions here. 

Can you break down the apps and websites you are using now to crush it. Like which cellphone apps, what sites are your rentals listed on, how do you manage all of them? Maybe even include the types of door locks, automation, etc you use to run your business. 

Post: **I’m a complete newbie**

Jay JohalPosted
  • Internal Medicine Physician
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 25

Hey Austin, Welcome. 

I am also from SD. Just wanted to say, if you haven't started investing yet look into building in your own back yard. San diego is hot for the companion units and there's a lot of info out there and may be you first best move to get started. 

Post: Help/ Info Rehab for Fixer - San Diego approximate cost per sqf

Jay JohalPosted
  • Internal Medicine Physician
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 25

I've walked several job sites now in SD but never done the actually gut myself. Most of these were in the SDSU area with college rentals.  

Post: Help/ Info Rehab for Fixer - San Diego approximate cost per sqf

Jay JohalPosted
  • Internal Medicine Physician
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 25

was the original home properly partitioned into 4 separate units with meters, kitchens, etc?

but from the sounds of it a complete gut job on a home that big in SD is easy 150K. If you start putting in custom or higher end finishes then 200K. also have an emergency fund for those unexpected findings.