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All Forum Posts by: Andrew Harrill

Andrew Harrill has started 2 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: Crushed Drain and Sewage Backup in Pending Flip

Andrew Harrill
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  • Temecula, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6

So I was able to get a hold of the Utility and they took on the bulk of the expense so it was about $8k for my part! I was very persistent.  Also the four plumbers who I spoke with on different occasions said that there was know way that the utility or the city would cover any of the expenses.

I agree with you that it is less of a concern.  I would just make sure to ask this simple question.  Is there anything in your professional opinion, that could possibly impact this quote?  At that point you know what possible variances could be.

Good luck!

Post: Citizens Energy - Navigating a $60k Drainage Dilemma: Permits, Pipes, and Public Road

Andrew Harrill
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  • Temecula, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Melanie P.:

Have you reached out to the neighbors about sharing the cost of the repair? The total cost will go up but the only way to fix a shared line is with everyone who shares it... Leave notes, make calls and look for them on Facebook. Many times I've asked a neighbor to share in a common expense and they were relieved I had a solution to something they didn't know how to address or even that it could be addressed. 

There is nothing wrong with a properly installed and maintained septic system. Since this project affects multiple properties Septic is about 25% of plumbing in the USA.

Melanie thank you for following up. I appreciate your insight and wisdom. So here is the latest update.

I continued to get additional quotes and opinions from multiple vendors.  I received about three different approaches ranging from connecting to the current drain which is 12 feet deep to raising the connection 5 feet below ground.

I received a quote that was about $39k and decided to go with that. After giving this vendor a $15k deposit I started to get some weird vibes about them and called the utility company. They confirmed that the dig to connect to the main sewer line was over 26 ft deep, and that that vendor was not licensed with them.  

As my partner and I did more research we found that this vendor had a different business name the previous month and had a lot of reviews that accused him of taking deposits and not doing the work.  We are currently fighting to get that money back through our credit card. The moral of the story there is the cheapest is not always the best!

However there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Despite every plumber telling me that speaking with the city and the utility company was a dead end I was able to eventually get to the #2 guy at Citizens, the utility company. He did some research and found that where we are supposed to connect we a would have to go through several other utilities and dig deeper than they were comfortable allowing us to.  After speaking with the higher ups they assumed the cost of everything in the street!

This left me with getting to the street. So my total cost is now $8,000. The moral of that story is stay persistent, don’t quit, and trust but verify. 

Very long but valuable journey.

Post: Crushed Drain and Sewage Backup in Pending Flip

Andrew Harrill
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  • Temecula, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6

Hey @Tim Porsche.  I would definitely get a couple more quotes and opinions.  I had a similar situation with a sewer line connection.  The original plumber stated the repair was going to be about $4k. I was excited because the price of the house and rehab was right, did not do any further inspections and completed the deal.

Turns out my issue was deeper than the initial diagnosis. It was a collapsed clay pipe involving moving to a new lateral.  My first quote was about $80k. More than half of my purchase price!

The point is make sure you exhaust your search for answers and don’t get mesmerized because it’s a great deal! 

Good luck to you!

Post: Citizens Energy - Navigating a $60k Drainage Dilemma: Permits, Pipes, and Public Road

Andrew Harrill
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  • Temecula, CA
  • Posts 11
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I have received a quote from Hope Plumbing, Pristine, and Exceptional Drain Cleaning.  As well as a couple that did not pass the sniff test.

Post: Citizens Energy - Navigating a $60k Drainage Dilemma: Permits, Pipes, and Public Road

Andrew Harrill
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  • Temecula, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Kerry Noble Jr:
Quote from @Andrew Harrill:
Quote from @Kerry Noble Jr:

Oh wow! that's bananas!!! 

Yes, well I got an update today. Turns out that the Dig is not gonna be 12 feet but 16 feet so the quote has now gone up to $78,000. Lots of fun.

 who gave you the quote? i might have someone that can give you a quote


Post: Citizens Energy - Navigating a $60k Drainage Dilemma: Permits, Pipes, and Public Road

Andrew Harrill
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  • Temecula, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6

Hey Scott, thanks so much for reaching out and replying. So I've looked at the septic system situation and there's not enough space in my yard for that and from what I understand they are trying to get rid of all septic tanks.

Regarding your question pertaining to rainwater or sanitary it is the sanitary sewer. My drain line somehow collapsed and causes backfall from the house next door into my cleanout/basement.  This also means that sewage from the house also ends up there as well.  There is also a sump with a pump that someone thought would be cool to have discharge into my driveway.  So currently the neighbors grey water mostly goes in my driveway, and there appears to be what used to be a toilet that might be leaking sewage in the basement.

The floor drains have collection of water.   So here is where I am at.  I have effectively spoken with 6 plumbers.  I have received quotes of $39k-$115k.  Where they will tap into the sewer is actually 20 ft deep.  So there is a level of complexity and danger associated with this job.   I have reached out the the Mayors Action committee and one of the VP's of Citizens and I am waiting for a reply. Once my house is fixed it is going to cause an issue for my neighbors house and potentially the next house after that.

I am hoping that they will realize that this impacts the entire block and not just my house...  Thanks!  You can see from the pic below that when the originally did the plot (White rectangles) the homes were supposed to connect to the lateral in the alley.   Instead it appears we all share one lateral to the alley...  So it is very complicated.

Post: Citizens Energy - Navigating a $60k Drainage Dilemma: Permits, Pipes, and Public Road

Andrew Harrill
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  • Temecula, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Kerry Noble Jr:

Oh wow! that's bananas!!! 

Yes, well I got an update today. Turns out that the Dig is not gonna be 12 feet but 16 feet so the quote has now gone up to $78,000. Lots of fun.

Post: Citizens Energy - Navigating a $60k Drainage Dilemma: Permits, Pipes, and Public Road

Andrew Harrill
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  • Temecula, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6

That is a great suggestion. I will reach out to the insurance and see what they might be able to do. I wonder if that will cause an issue in the future. No HOA. There is no doubt in my mind that the seller knew what was going on. It will be hard to prove however.

Thank you.

Post: Citizens Energy - Navigating a $60k Drainage Dilemma: Permits, Pipes, and Public Road

Andrew Harrill
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  • Temecula, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6

Hello everyone,

I recently became the owner of a home on Rural Street in Indianapolis, Indiana, and have encountered a significant issue that I hope some of you might have insights on.

When I bought the house, I noticed some water in the basement. It didn’t seem like a deal-breaker at the time, especially since the previous owners appeared eager to sell. They disclosed that there was a blockage in the drain and hired a plumber who used a water jet to clear what they claimed were flushable wipes causing the issue. They suggested adding an external cleanout for about $8,000, and we agreed to split the cost by adjusting the home’s price.

However, after installing the cleanout, we discovered that the actual problem was far more severe. The clay drainpipe from our house has collapsed under one of the neighboring homes. Moreover, it turns out our drain connects to the main sewer line six houses away, on another street, at the end of the block.

The only solution provided by Citizens Energy is to reroute our connection to a lateral drain across the street. This requires about seven permits to shut down a four-lane street for over a week, with an estimated cost of $60,000 due to the need to dig 12 feet deep.

I’m reaching out to this community to ask if anyone has faced a similar infrastructure challenge or has experience dealing with such extensive utility work. Any advice on managing this situation, reducing costs, or navigating the permit process would be greatly appreciated. Have you dealt with Citizens Energy or similar situations before? What was your approach, and how did you resolve it?

Thank you in advance for your insights and advice.

Post: Indianapolis General contractor Construction Defect

Andrew Harrill
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  • Temecula, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Account Closed:

First of all file a complaint on the attorney generals site. They take these complaints seriously usually and will be able to more than likely take this contractors license away so they don't do this to future investors! They will also be able to help in proceeding with next steps and give advice! Otherwise pretty much any attorney should be able to help you with prosecution as long as you have evidence. (Contract, text messages, pics, etc.) 


Thank you so much for the response. I will reach out to them tomorrow. I have tried to contact several attorneys and I have not been able to find one that is interested in the case because I don’t believe the contractor has money.

But I definitely don’t want him doing this to anyone else.