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All Forum Posts by: Denver J Lobo

Denver J Lobo has started 4 posts and replied 16 times.

Post: What happens when you get to 10 properties?

Denver J LoboPosted
  • Investor
  • Temple, Tx
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 16
Originally posted by @AJ Singh:

@Denver J Lobo

Keep the 10 loans under your name. that will be the cheapest leverage to get. 

Once we reached that, we started getting investment rental financing under community bank notes with a 15 year amortization and five to 7 years fixed interest rate. Granted, little less cash flow but will pay off property in 15 years and these notes dont show up in your credit report.

As far as syndications are concerned, thats a different ball game altogether and i suggest you to read a lot about them before you invest a dime.

Successful single family investors usually transition to their own multi family buildings since they have the experience of management

Thank you AJ!

Post: What happens when you get to 10 properties?

Denver J LoboPosted
  • Investor
  • Temple, Tx
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 16
Originally posted by @Lane Kawaoka:

@Denver J Lobo

When I was first started I thought I was clever getting 10 in my name and 10 in spouses name. But later a found a world of highnet worth accredited investors who though the complete opposite.

Do the math here… with 300 dollars per property (2 months of work to buy a turnkey rental) you are going to need 20-40 of these to replace your income. I had 11 of these and good systems in place but still had 1-2 evictions a year and 3-4 big things that were normal annoyances like plumbing leaks, damages from hurricanes, or some vandalism. Image if I had 30, just 3 x those numbers.

Directly investing in a turnkey rental or small MFH is a good way to start to learn and build up the war chest to go into my scaleable investments such as private placement syndications. Whatever you do, try to be as close to the investment as possible. 

If your net worth (income minus expenses) is under $200,000 or barely save $30,000, syndications are not for you. Stick with these Turnkey rentals despite what Gurus (who are trying to sell you their program) tell you for now. They have a little higher gains (a lot more volatility) but a syndicator who is willing to put you in a deal with more than 10-20% of your net worth is asking for trouble.

@Lane Kawaoka - Exactly the perspective I was looking for - Thank you. So you 1031 exchanged and "traded up" from your single family properties to multi family? I agree, the cash flow of SFH doesn't make you rich, its the refinance and exchange that increases your velocity of money. Have you done your own private placement syndications, or do you participate in others offerings?

Post: What happens when you get to 10 properties?

Denver J LoboPosted
  • Investor
  • Temple, Tx
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 16
Originally posted by @John Teachout:

Since you're from Georgia, you may be (or need to be) aware that there's some Georgia specific rules that come into play if you have 10 properties. (handling of security deposits, move in inspections, etc.) These are noted in the landlord/tenant handbook the state provides. None of this has to do with mortgages but thought I'd throw it out there.


John - Thank you for bringing this up. I was not aware of that. Appreciate it!

Post: What happens when you get to 10 properties?

Denver J LoboPosted
  • Investor
  • Temple, Tx
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 16
Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

Option 1 is the only option.

Option 2 is Not an option.  The Fannie/Freddie rule is not about “10 Fannie loans”. The rule is you can’t get a Fannie loan if you already have “10 mortgaged properties”....not 10 loans, Fannie or otherwise. So, 10 properties under one blanket mortgage counts the same as 10 properties with 2 mortgages on each one.

@Wayne Brookes

Thank you for the quick response. After reading through a variety of articles I came across a couple of different options as well:

1) If you are married, your wife/husband can also hold 10 properties

2) Hold real estate off title (Joint venture agreement) - partnership deals

3) Hold the commercial loan or portfolio loan (ie 10 properties) in an S-corp. Fannie and Freddie dont count loans in S-corps, only in LLCs, so rewind and repeat

4) Some Residential non-agency market loans from local banks might be able to provide loans until 15 financed properties.

Any views on these options/ideas?

Post: What happens when you get to 10 properties?

Denver J LoboPosted
  • Investor
  • Temple, Tx
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 16

I currently own 7 SFH properties, that I have BRRRR'd as a buy & hold investment. As I approach the 10 limit imposed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, I am starting to think about how I can go past that number. Can you please share your advice on how you have gone past that 10 number? For the sake of this conversation, I do not want to discuss Multifamily properties, I only want to focus on SFH (Detached, Townhomes, Condos etc).

- Option 1 is to get 10 conventional loans, and then every loan subsequent to that move to non-conventional lenders. 

- Option 2 is to package my 10 conventional loans into a blanket loan or commercial loan (I still havn't been able to nail down the exact different between the 2), which would allow me to do ~10 more conventional loans.

Any other options or advice that you have used would be super useful! Thanks Biggerpockets! (Hope this conversation helps others in a similar boat)

Post: Real Estate Meetup in Puerto Rico 2020

Denver J LoboPosted
  • Investor
  • Temple, Tx
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 16

I have been quarantining in Puerto Rico for 3 months and since everything is back to normal, I wanted to see if anyone would like to startup a meetup group here to discuss Real Estate. Doesn't have to be about the short-term rental market in Puerto Rico, but can be other markets as well, or to get a group together to get to know each other. Let me know here or on msg if you would be interested!