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All Forum Posts by: Dan D.

Dan D. has started 19 posts and replied 212 times.

Post: Tell us about your expenses

Dan D.Posted
  • Investor
  • Shakopee, MN
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 88
Originally posted by @J Scott:
Originally posted by @Dan D.:
Identical houses down to the finishes with "identical tenants".  The cheaper one for argument sake would be more rural so a lower rental price for longer commutes.

Insurance I agree would be less on the $1200 house.

Taxes could be a wash or even higher for the rural one depending on the town, schools, and businesses, but generally I think you're right on that one.

Capex would be identical due to identical finishes and identical tenants unless if you have cheaper labor in the rural area.

Property management could be less if it's based on rent, but with the location being more rural, the prop management company might charge more.

I've spoken with dozens of landlords who have owned many hundreds (thousands?) of units across diverse locations, and the 50% rule holds more time than not (where "50%" means 45-55%).

The only exception I've seen is in locations where taxes are disproportionate to rental income...

Without knowing the two specific locations you're referring to, I can't comment on your specific example...but my gut tells me that some of your assumptions about "identical" houses, tenants and finishes is off.  Also quite likely that taxes are very different.

Or perhaps you just happened to find two areas that defy the 45-55% standard...

 The two identical houses are just for example.  Not real life experience.

Point taken.

Post: Tell us about your expenses

Dan D.Posted
  • Investor
  • Shakopee, MN
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 88
Originally posted by @J Scott:
Originally posted by @Dan D.:

If I had this exact same house in an area that drew rent at $1200 a month instead of $1800 a month, can I really expect that my expenses would decrease simply because the exact same house is 20-30 miles in a different direction drawing less rent?

If the house rented for $1200 instead of $1800, then the house is likely smaller, in a worse location and/or in worse condition.  Therefore, these other things would likely be impacted as well:

-  Taxes would likely be lower

-  Insurance would likely be lower 

-  If the property were smaller, capex would be lower, as would turnover costs

-  If the property were in a worse location, the standard finishes would likely be cheaper

-  If the property were in a worse condition, the standard of living/repairs would be lower

-  Property management costs would scale downward by a linear amount to the rent

Add up all those savings, and you'd find that you'd likely save $300/month between a house that rents for $1800 and a house that rents for $1200...

 Identical houses down to the finishes with "identical tenants".  The cheaper one for argument sake would be more rural so a lower rental price for longer commutes.

Insurance I agree would be less on the $1200 house.

Taxes could be a wash or even higher for the rural one depending on the town, schools, and businesses, but generally I think you're right on that one.

Capex would be identical due to identical finishes and identical tenants unless if you have cheaper labor in the rural area.

Property management could be less if it's based on rent, but with the location being more rural, the prop management company might charge more.

Post: Investing in low income areas?

Dan D.Posted
  • Investor
  • Shakopee, MN
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 88
Originally posted by @Roy N.:

@Dan D. 

Rural areas present another set of variables:  Is there area growing/coasting/dying? Is the clientele population working locally, or commuting 100-150km (60-90 miles) to a larger centre?

Tenants in rural areas tend to stay longer (our observations, no stats), but vacancies take longer to fill.  The cost of maintenance/turnover could be higher if you must commute to the property.

We recently had the opportunity to purchase ~50 units (4 buildings) in the small town where I spent my teen years.   In the context of my memory of the area, the deal looked very attractive ... and it would have been if this were still the 1970s.  

However the local economy has been on a 25yr decline with no sign of turnaround due to over reliance on a dwindling natural resource.  The young folks who can leave, do.  The remaining population is aging (retired) or underemployed.  Services have left the town (there is no longer a full service hospital).  The quality of the tenant population has fallen dramatically - there is more empty housing stock, so those who have any semblance of steady employment can secure their own house.   In light of the present environment, I'm not sure the deal would be worth it if the buildings were given to us.

 That makes sense, but if I'm going to rural areas, I want that town on a major highway with increasing population year over year within a commutable distance to the metro area.  (30 to 60 miles vs 60-90 miles).  Many seem to justify an hour commute, but getting over that gets tough.

Rural but growing.  Basically between exburbs and rural.  

Follow a highway out of the metro.  As you go from suburban to exburbs, there will be a dramatic drop in housing prices.  Getting on that cusp of the suburbs/exburbs where that price drop occurs is where I am targeting my efforts for 2015.

Post: Tell us about your expenses

Dan D.Posted
  • Investor
  • Shakopee, MN
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 88

That's what I don't understand on the 50% rule and why I'd like to see what other people have for expenses. 

If I had this exact same house in an area that drew rent at $1200 a month instead of $1800 a month, can I really expect that my expenses would decrease simply because the exact same house is 20-30 miles in a different direction drawing less rent?

What outside factors other than a higher paying tenant increase those expenses $300 a month?

Post: What does it take to be a top 1% -er.....

Dan D.Posted
  • Investor
  • Shakopee, MN
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 88

Isn't net worth really what matters?

Not income, not net assets, but actual net worth?

Post: Investing in low income areas?

Dan D.Posted
  • Investor
  • Shakopee, MN
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 88

If you are looking at that price range, what i would do is look more rural.

Find an affluent suburb and go that direction out from the city center.  If you go out 30 minutes to 60 minutes out you might to find properties that start to make sense from a purchase price standpoint.  

Post: Investing in low income areas?

Dan D.Posted
  • Investor
  • Shakopee, MN
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 88
Originally posted by @Roy N.:
Originally posted by @Dan D.:

Are you trying to build long term cash flow or long term wealth?

 The two are not mutually exclusive.

 True.

Post: Tell us about your expenses

Dan D.Posted
  • Investor
  • Shakopee, MN
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 88

J, your opinion is not one that I would ignore! 

You have more to teach than I could hope to learn.

Post: Investing in low income areas?

Dan D.Posted
  • Investor
  • Shakopee, MN
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 88

Are you trying to build long term cash flow or long term wealth?

Post: What does it take to be a top 1% -er.....

Dan D.Posted
  • Investor
  • Shakopee, MN
  • Posts 219
  • Votes 88

I'm not in the 1% (yet).