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All Forum Posts by: David Roe

David Roe has started 29 posts and replied 107 times.

Post: BRRRR on a Monster Duplex in Dayton Ohio

David RoePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Dayton Ohio
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 71
Originally posted by @Cheryl Moore:

@David Roe Congratulations it is beautiful!!! Where is it located in Dayton?

On Cambridge Ave off Salem 

Post: Government taking over property ownership

David RoePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Dayton Ohio
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 71
Originally posted by @James Hamling:
Originally posted by @David Roe:
Originally posted by @James Hamling:

You know what @Joy May, I think your onto something...... Know what, you should sell everything, now, quick while you can still get money for it. I'm a crazy gambling fool but I'd be willing to let sign them all over to me right now, I will pledge you payment in chickens and MRE's for when the takeover comes...... 

On a serious note, if you truly believe that please, seriously, seek immediate psychological help, seriously. 

 Sad to see an investor in our forum to behave like this.  Sadly if someone in 2019 said, "the government can close your business and let your tenants live for free for 12 months and you cant do anything about it due to a virous with a 99.997% recovery rate and the government will force you to stay home and not go anywhere, then when you can go out you Must wear a Mask on your face even though only 60+ year olds are the only ones at risk...."   If this was said in 2019 YOU would have said the same exact thing you just said here... "You're crazy to think the government would or could do this..."   HAha ha   Sadly the joke is on you, when you allow a government to make choices for you, you no longer are free.  If they want your rental properties "For the Greater Good of the Citizens"  Guess what...  You lose.   2020 they took your jobs, your income, your health, your freedom of choice, and took your face.  Wake up, come out of the fantasy land and wake up. 

The AOC and Nancy say that owning a home is a right and should be free to every one, Biden is a puppet so he will follow what they tell him to do.  This is 100% possible, not probable but very possible... 

 Seeing as your diving down the rabbit hole of psychic powers to say what I would have said, if asked, back when, if's and butt's.... I'd rather request you exercise your Nostredamus like powers to share what the next PowerBall numbers will be please? 

"IF" someone had said that to me in 2019, I would have said "So, like another Spanish Flu of 1918 event?". But that's just because I am informed, I understand how intelligence and information can really ruin things when seeking to strap on the good ole tinfoil hat and start shouting about whatever next doom & gloom forecast is getting hits on Youtube. 

On housing as a "right", yup they sure did say that, in the exact same way that George Bush jr. said that, director of HUD had said that and a entire chorus of politicians and bankers have all said this time and time again, and then used such to usher in lower bars of entry for HOME BUYERS. Not 1 time has anyone spoken about Communist communal housing programs.

For those with a bit more then a marble rattling around upstairs, let me paint you a picture of exactly what Soviet Socialist style housing would require, and do, to make it a reality in the USA. First off, 97%+ of housing in the US has this little thing we in the biz like to call a MORTGAGE. See, that means the "home owner" dosn't actually own the home, they own the rights to USE of the home, because a bank owns it, or more accurately a fund owns it. The "home owner" is paying that fund, the ACTUAL owner of the property, payments which include principle and interest, a LOT of interest by end of term for the property. SOooooo that means telling multi-million/billion dollar entities "uh uhm, ah yes, we decided you no longer own those properties, yes those billions in mortgages you hold, GONE, please accept this "yah USA" lapel pin for your donation". Yeah, your talking a collapse of the GLOBAL financial system on level that makes the 08/09 collapse look like a sliver compared to the tree that will spike through the heart of GLOBAL finance and investment. 

"But why will it be global?" you say, because that's where the $$$$ is coming from that buys the mortgage backed securities, from ever corner of the planet! From union retirement funds in Ireland, the John Hancock's of wallstreet.... from Zanzabar too Aruba and all points in between there is literally TRILLIONS of dollars wrapped into mortgage securities, and your saying "yup, can just waive a magic wand and say it all stops"......

Now that alone shows how foolish and childish naivety it is to say property ownership rights can just vanish, but there is multi-dimensions of this such as a little thing called contract law, THE CONSTITUTION, the supreme court, the Union itself, the NAHB, the NAR, the tens and hundreds of millions of Red White and Blue bleeding AMERICAN PATRIOTS who over their dead body would allow the US OF A to be turned into a Soviet Socialist Communist waste land!!!!!!

So yeah, I stand by my statements; if you think it's a real possibility, YOUR NUTS!!!!


California is a great example here, US Constitution clearly states Right to Bear Arms.  Yet California Gun Rules make it almost impossible to as a regular Joe to own any fire arm you want.  
You’re naïve to think they can’t control what you own or take it if they choose to.  History repeats for those who fail to act.  Look at every Communist county before they became Communists and look at Nazi Germany.  Liberal agenda at its best.  You’re crazy! But I like you!! LOL 

Post: BRRRR on a Monster Duplex in Dayton Ohio

David RoePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Dayton Ohio
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 71

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) hard money loan investment in Dayton.

Purchase price: $30,000
Cash invested: $50,000

Very Large 4/2 Duplex with 1800 sqft per side. House was occupied by a hoarder that left everything. 9 tuns of junk later we took the house down to bare wood floors, some new drywall, new kitchen and bathrooms to include flooring and cabinets etc.. 44 new windows, 8 new glass block windows(basement, New 32 sq Roof, new interior and exterior paint. Section 8 rents are 1025 a month per side, It's currently listed for both 8 and public tenants. Refi and appraisal is in the process as well.  It should appraise for 100-105k and I will have 80k into it.  A little more than I would have liked but the property should cash flow nicely around 1,800-2,000 gross income.  

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

It's a beautiful house that needed saved.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Whole Sale deal

How did you finance this deal?

Hard Money

How did you add value to the deal?

Everything is new, also Dayton Ohio is adding 12Million in rejuvenation of a 1.5 mile strip of town on Salem Ave there next to this house. I'm hoping this will drive up property values in this neighborhood.

What was the outcome?

Currently waiting for Appraisal and refi

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Typical issues with Contractors

Post: Owner Finance Deal buy and hold

David RoePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Dayton Ohio
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 71

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment in Dayton.

Purchase price: $105,000
Cash invested: $5,000

3 Bed 1 Bath recently updated Cottage with 1.5 car garage and fenced in yard, full unfinished basement with two HVAC systems.
$105k purchase with $5k down 4% rate for 30 years, 5 year pay off balloon. Rented now for $1,000 an month. Needed less than $1,000 in repairs. Current market value in that neighborhood is $115,000.00

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Owner Financing

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

My nanny was renting it. The owners decided to sell it so I offered them 105k, 5k down, now realtor fees, 4% interest, and 5 year pay off.

How did you finance this deal?

Listed above

How did you add value to the deal?

Previous rent was $550, now rents at $1000

What was the outcome?

added another rental to my portfolio

Post: Why is Hard Money Private Lending so difficult right now

David RoePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Dayton Ohio
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 71

Not sure why it replied to myself.. lol

Post: Why is Hard Money Private Lending so difficult right now

David RoePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Dayton Ohio
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 71

@David Roe

1.4% recovery in less than 30 days on unemployment and in less than 3 days S&P recovers over 90% of all of its COVID losses.

The $600 bonus wont expire till July 25 and everyone on unemployment are denying requests to return to work and lose their $600 bonus. I predict Aug 30 unemployment rates to be close to 5% or less and the market being approaching Feb numbers. A Trump victory at the polls will push November unemployment to 3-4% and a positive gain in the market.

Again my opinion, and I’ll be first to admit I was wrong if I am.

If by chance a Democrat victory the market will again take another hit. I don’t see consumer confidence with Biden as president.

Again my opinion.

Post: Why is Hard Money Private Lending so difficult right now

David RoePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Dayton Ohio
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 71

@Nghi Le  All very valid view points, Trumps policies whether you like him or not has changed the worlds view of America as a business and how its conducted, Trade deals are more firm and American rates are great when dealing with them.  With that said there are growing pains with change.  I feel a new base line was being set for the economy, even now the economy and Stock market is not much lower than when Trump was elected, I feel the cabin fever will spark a huge spike in the economy and businesses and tapper off.  My opinion is that we will be back to "normal" in 12 months or less, everyone seen the money made in the market from the 2008 drop and they will all want in on the gains so trading confidence will spike.  Same with housing, houses were cheep post 2008 and investors will be holding out just as you are looking for the drop in prices and increased deals.  Meanwhile i'll keep buying, there's always deals to be made and only you can make a good deal.  

Again all opinions and just my projection.  

Post: Why is Hard Money Private Lending so difficult right now

David RoePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Dayton Ohio
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 71
Originally posted by @Odie Ayaga:

@David Roe I'm not sure the point you're arguing. Unemployed is unemployed it doesn't matter what the reason is in this case. One of the other posters already mentioned that it's not like we're going to flip a switch and everyone is going to have a job again. A lot of jobs that existed won't anymore. You said yourself "this has never happened before". It sounds like you're answering your own question yet still confused by the answer.

Odie Avaga, 

Someone kicks in your door and steals everything.  You have nothing and no money now.  Your neighbor sells all his personal belongings and has a bank account full of money.  Both you and your neighbor have nothing and your equal right?  Same Same?  No... Your items were stolen and you will take 5 times or more to recover.  Your neighbor sold his stuff, next day he can just go purchase new stuff you can not! 2008 the water supply burst! (economy)  2020 the City just turned the valve off(government)  Once turned back on sure there's air in the line but it will rush out quickly and your water is back to normal.  2008 had to wait for the plumber, parts, and time to repair.   BIG Difference 

Most Unemployed are coming right back once the country opens up, that demand that was occurring in December is still there, the valve is just turned off.  

Post: Why is Hard Money Private Lending so difficult right now

David RoePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Dayton Ohio
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 71

I keep thinking of this meme on half the posts here on Bigger Pockets these days.  LOL  

I appreciate everyone's points of view and glad BP is able to keep FB logic out of posts...   

Post: Book reference please..

David RoePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Dayton Ohio
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 71

@Ronnie Allison

I use audible

Some libraries have them free on audio

I like to listen to them multiple times while I work or cut grass or work out.